Kevin Anthony 0:00
Kevin, welcome to the Love Lab podcast, the place to be for honest and real talk about relationships and sex, whether you’re a man or woman, single or a couple, this is the show for you. I am your host, Kevin Anthony, and I am here to help you have the relationship of your dreams and the best sex of your life.

Kevin Anthony 0:27
All right, welcome back to the Love Lab podcast. This is episode 390, and it is titled How to Use Taoist sexual practices to amp up your sex life. So we were just talking about this before we started recording this podcast, and I was telling my guest today who you can see if you’re watching on YouTube, and I’ll introduce them in a moment. I was telling her that, you know, when Celine and I first started doing work together, we made a conscious decision not to use terminology like Tantra or Taoist sexual anything. And you know, the irony of that is that we both had a relatively deep background in that.

Kevin Anthony 1:11
So, for those that don’t remember, you know, Celine studied under Montak Chia at his retreat center in Thailand. She also studied in India. I studied locally here in the US, but we both had a pretty good background in that, and so that permeated a lot of the work that we did together, and work that I still do. But we made a conscious decision not to use the terminology, because we didn’t want to be lumped in with the sort of, you know, fringe element of, oh, you’re those creepy Tantra people, right? Which was a thing back in the day. It really was people just, they weren’t as aware of this stuff back then. And we didn’t want people to be turned off by like, oh, the creepy Tantra couple. However, so much of what we’re going to talk about today is, is and has been a part of what I teach when I’m helping people get in touch with their sexuality, learn about sexual energy, move sexual energy through their body, and use it with their partners.

Kevin Anthony 2:16
So it’s always been there. And I made the joke earlier. I said, I think it’s time to come out of the closet and start using some of this terminology, so that people can understand where some of what I teach comes from, and I have somebody who is also well-trained in it, who’s going to really help us understand this more. Because I just want people to understand these ideas. Because I think if you can incorporate these ideas into your sex life and your love making, you can really, as it says in the title, amp up your sex life and have a better sex life. And who doesn’t want that, right? As always beforehand, a couple of words from my sponsors.

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Kevin Anthony 5:37
My guest today is Dr. Willow Brown. She’s a doctor of Chinese medicine, co-host of the sex reimagined podcast, creator of living sexology, and founder of the women’s empowerment circle. She is devoted to the sexual healing of humanity and helps her students open the receptive pleasure pathways in their own bodies for maximum healing and rapture. That’s hot.

Dr. Willow Brown 6:22
Yeah, it’s fun and hot.

Kevin Anthony 6:25
Well, welcome to the show.

Dr. Willow Brown 6:26
Thank you, Kevin. It’s so great to be here. I’m just thrilled. I love all that you’re offering to the humans of the world so that they can have more pleasure and rapture in their sex life. I think it’s so powerful.

Kevin Anthony 6:39
Indeed, it is. And you know, sometimes people just don’t know what they don’t know. And I wish more people could open up to the idea that simply embracing some new ideas, like what we’re going to be talking about today, could radically change their sex life, which will then ripple out into the rest of their life as well.

Dr. Willow Brown 6:58
Yeah, it’s so true that I feel like the sector of sexuality is such a foundational and pivotal and a root part of what it means to be a human being, and it’s one that so easily gets swept under the rug and ignored and not paid attention to, or it’s played out in a way that is not healthy, you know. So I think when we start to bring more education, more understanding, and even inside of our own bodies, not just our brains, but the experience of like, oh, this is what it means to have, like, really high-level pleasure and rapture running through my body. Like, wow. Then I go out into the world, and all of my relationships change my relationship to my work, my relationship to my health, my workouts change, and my relationship to my finances changes. You know, really, every sector of life starts to follow along.

Kevin Anthony 7:52
That is so so true. And you know, I’m only one person. There are only so many people I can reach. So I’m glad that there are other people out there, such as yourself, sharing that message as well. So let’s just dive in, because, you know, the title of this is, you know, how to use Taoist sexual practices. And you know, I understand that while these practices are gaining in sort of notoriety and popularity, there are still a lot of people who don’t understand what it is. So let’s just start by defining what Taoism is like? When somebody says Taoist sexual practice, what do we even mean?

Dr. Willow Brown 8:31
I know it’s like, what is what does the word mean? People’s eyes glaze over, and it’s so true. It’s like, when we don’t understand a word, or we don’t know the meaning of something. It’s so easy to just kind of glaze over it and not pause and take a moment to ask the person I don’t know what that word means, like, I don’t understand what you’re saying. And I think that’s one of the first, you know. Things that I want to say about Taoist sexology is, like, this point of communication is where we get to expand. It’s where we get to open up and learn more. So if you’re talking to anyone out there in the world and they’re saying words that you don’t get like, pause them and ask questions, because that’s how we grow, and that’s how we expand into levels of sexuality that will absolutely change the trajectory of your health, your longevity, your life, your happiness, all of it.

Dr. Willow Brown 9:24
So Taoism in and of itself. So all Chinese medicine doctors, all acupuncturists, they’re all Taoist practitioners. Chinese medicine is based on a philosophy called Taoism, similar to Buddhism, but not totally the same. And what, what you often will hear about this philosophy, or this, you know, ancient Asian way of thinking, is that they call the DAO the way. Okay, the DAO is the way. It’s the way. But what does that really mean? What? What is the way? And so the way is the way of nature. We’re looking to the elements of nature to see how things expand and contract. You know, when we look at winter, that’s a contraction, that’s where we go in, and then we have spring that comes right afterwards, and that’s a contraction or an expansion, and that’s when things come out. And so this natural contraction and expansion that happens in nature happens in us all the time as well, because we are not just part of nature. We are nature.

Dr. Willow Brown 10:32
And so through the lens of Taoism, we see, we look at a human being, and we see, oh, they’ve got mountains and streams and valleys and rivers and springs and oceans, and they’ve got, you know, all these different things we have a whole map on our bodies, of these portals of energy, these acupuncture points that are very, very synonymous that the Earth has. So we are Earthlings. Therefore, we are just as much a part of the Earth as a tree, a rock, or an ocean. And so when we watch that rhythm and that flow, the expansion and the contraction. Now we’re working with the energy of Yang, energy, which also could be translated to masculine energy, and the energy of Yin, which could also be translated to feminine energy. So I always am, always working with everyone that I work with, all my clients, through this lens, through this way, right the way. So if I meet someone and they’re like, Oh my God, my life is falling apart. Like I’ve lost my job, I’ve lost my partner, I have this health thing going on, and my car just died yesterday, you know? Then I’m like, Okay, you’re in a major fall season of your life, like everything is falling away. It’s dying. It’s something is like going to come out of this, right? Like we can trust the way, because it always happens after every exhale, there is an inhale after every sunset, there is a sunrise.

Dr. Willow Brown 12:05
So we can see that like this contraction and this expansion is the way, like it is something that we always have access to, and when we start to live our lives in accordance with it, then we actually are giving ourselves back a lot of time, a lot of energy, a lot of resistance that we spend energy on, that goes away and we start to surrender to life. And there’s this practice called wu wei, which is like the surrender to the way, surrendering to the expansion and the contraction that you’re in. So if you find yourself in a fall phase of life, you know where everything’s falling apart, then know that after the fall season, winter comes, and so all of that dying and clearing and going away that’s happening for you in your life is so that you can step into a new season where you get to hibernate, you get to recalibrate. Who am I without those relationships? Who am I without that car? Who am I without that job? Who are you like finding a new identity, and that’s the season that most people are very uncomfortable with, is that pause, that stillness season, and it’s also one of the most important.

Dr. Willow Brown 13:21
I think the fall is the most important, because if we don’t clear, if we don’t make the space, then we can’t actually sit in the stillness, and we can’t recalibrate to what’s my truth? What do I want to create? What is it? You know, and I watch my friends and my clients all the time, like you’re still in winter, you can’t rush winter. And they’re like, Fuck, this is our Susan. I’m like, Yes, it is, but it’s so valuable, because you learned so much about yourself. So it’s a deep contraction, right? Just like winter, a deep contraction after that spring comes, and when spring is sprung, I mean, look out, because if you did a good job in winter and you really cleared in Fall, your spring is going to take you and catapult you into a new version of yourself and your life.

Dr. Willow Brown 14:07
So this, you know, translates to life, but it translates to sexuality as well. So many of us find ourselves in these relationships where we’re like, you know, we have sex once a week. It’s okay. We’d always do the same thing, you know, like, it’s very routine. There’s nothing very magical about it. We both have an orgasm, rollover and go to sleep. So that has to die, right? Has to go away. That has to go through a fall season, and then you have to sit in the stillness of, like, well, what do you want to experience? You know, you have to do a little bit deeper inquiry. Like, how do you want to be in this intimate partnership that you’re in? Like, how do you want to show up? How do you want them to show up? And this is a beautiful time, you know, if it’s a couple, but also, as an individual, it’s just a really powerful time. And then this spring energy, the education starts to come. All these things start to align. This person sends you. Podcast, and that person sends you a program, you know?

Dr. Willow Brown 15:01
And it’s like, you start to the momentum starts to build. And after that spring season, of course, we have summer, right? And then summer is like, where we get to cultivate. It’s like, wow, I went through the whole seasonal flow of this process, whatever it was, maybe it was in relationship to sex, maybe it was in relationship to finances. You know, I don’t know, different sectors of life can go through these seasons at different times as well, and and so once that summer season hits, it’s like you’re in your fullness, you’re in your glory, and you get to really, like, pick the fruits of your labor and enjoy them, and really just take in all that you have cultivated within yourself. So that’s a huge part of what Daoism is. It’s about cultivating self and cultivating a life path that aligns to self.

Kevin Anthony 15:54
There are so many things that you just shared there before we move on. I kind of want to revisit it a little bit. So you started out by saying that anybody who’s an acupuncturist or a Chinese medicine doctor is basically a Daoist. And I kind of wanted to just bring that up again, because, again, I think that there’s a little charge with some of these words in these terms, like Taoism or Tantra or things like that. And you know, I think we’re at least at a point now in society where a lot of people have experienced acupuncture, like a lot of people, it’s no longer necessarily that weird fringe thing. Well, at least, at least where I live, there’s a huge school here, and there’s a cupuncturist on every corner, but, but even still, outside of the, you know, the So Cal bubble, there’s still, it’s much more well known. So I say that to say that if you’re curious, or you’re like, I don’t know about this Taoism stuff, just know, if you’ve ever been to an acupuncturist, you’ve already experienced some of it, right? Yeah, so that’s one part of it, to help ease you into it a little bit.

Kevin Anthony 16:57
The other thing that I wanted to point out to you is that I really like how you shared this idea that we are not separate from nature. We’re part of nature. That is a huge thing, unfortunately, that we have done as humans is that we’ve separated ourselves from nature. We’ve also separated ourselves from God. We’ve made ourselves separate from everything. And there’s a big problem when you do that, we don’t have time to go into all of the problems. I mean, how it affects everything, from how you treat the environment and the planet to, you know, your connection to spirituality, but when you see yourself as separate from all of that, you’ve got some problems, right? So this idea that Taoism sees everything as a whole, and you mentioned that we as humans have mountains and valleys and streams and all that. What you’re basically describing is we’re a fractal of, you know, the larger, right?

Kevin Anthony 17:47
And so, yeah, you could, you could say that, that we have the same things that the Earth has, but the Earth, if you want to take it out even bigger than that, and the solar system in the universe and all of that, right? It’s, there’s the hole in everything, right? And I think that’s a beautiful way to explain how Taoism sees the human body. Because one of the big things that I talk about all the time, and I’m sure that you do too, is the fact that our sexuality is not separate from the rest of us, and it’s another thing that we have a tendency to compartmentalize, right? Go, well, our sexuality is this thing over here we’re just going to suppress, or we’re not going to, you know, and how my sex life is going with my partner has nothing to do with the relationship. Or, you know, how I show up for my kids, or how I show up at work, which is nonsense, right? It’s wrong. Connected, right?

Kevin Anthony 18:38
Yeah. And so I love how this idea of Taoism, you know, sees it that way, sees it as a whole, sees that this is all part of what it means to be human. So I just kind of wanted to reiterate that point. And of course, I like the idea of the seasons and how the how we go through these seasons in life. Because we all do. We all know that. So now that people have a decent idea of what Daoism is, and sort of how it sees the world and how it sees the human body, let’s talk a little bit more specifically about, you know, sexual energy. I’m wondering if you could talk a little bit about how Daoism sees sexual energy itself. Like, what does that even mean? Because people hear there’s all this Taoist sexual energy practice, like, how do they see it? And what does that really mean?

Dr. Willow Brown 19:29
Great. So in Chinese medicine, there are five different kinds of chi. So if you don’t know what Qi is, it’s basically energy. And so that’s when you go to an acupuncturist. They’re manipulating the energy in your body and redirecting it to different areas. It’s kind of like if there was a river and we wanted to divert the river and move it in a different direction, then we would start to dig a trench in a different direction and put some big branches where the flow had been to move. Energy in a different direction. So that’s kind of like how acupuncture works. So there are these five different kinds of chi that we’re playing with, and one of them is called Jing chi. J I N, G chi. Jing chi is sexual energy in Tantra. We call it Shakti, right? It’s the Divine Feminine life force that flows through everything. So in Shakti, we have this feminine element to basically, it is just like creative energy, right?

Dr. Willow Brown 20:30
And in the DAO, we don’t really put a gender on it, as Jing Qi is Jing Qi, but Jing translates also to essence. So when we are cultivating our Jing chi, when we are learning how to draw orgasmic energy, or higher levels of arousal energy, to different places in our bodies, we’re cultivating Jing chi. We’re cultivating our essence. So we’re bringing more of ourselves on board. So it’s like we get to walk away from an experience where we’ve cultivated our own essence for, you know, a couple of hours with so much more wholeness, so much more of ourselves available for life. And that’s why all those other sectors change, because you show up in a different way. So the world reflects differently to you. So when I think of Taoist sexology, because I’m a total endocrinologist, nerd, and functional medicine dork, I think of it as with two legs. One leg is hormones. What’s going on with your sexual hormones?

Dr. Willow Brown 21:37
Because that’s going to play a huge role in how you want to get it on right, and your libido levels, and when you want to do it, and how long, and da, da, da, all these things. And so hormones is a big leg. It’s a very important part, and something that I specialize in quite a lot, from microbiome level to hormone replacement therapy, because all of those levels need to be working and functioning together for anybody, woman, man, or, you know, woman or non woman or man, anybody to have the energy, the desire, the drive, the emotional capacity to go into these deep places of sexuality that We’re speaking of when the other leg of it is, is sex, you know, it’s like, Okay, let’s get it on. What? What’s happening? Like, are, you know, how are my, how’s my blow job skills, you know, how are my Cody lingo skills? Like, what you know, are you feeling the pleasure? You know is one of you just getting off and rolling over. Are you actually in this union, in this dance together? So within the sexual realm of it, it’s like we’re playing with energy again. We’re playing with yin and yang. We’re playing with expansion and contraction.

Dr. Willow Brown 22:53
And if you’ve ever had a multi-hour session of sexuality with a lover, or, you know, a client, a friend, or whoever. You know that there are these like moments that get super heated up, and then there are these moments that come down, and they come into stillness, and moments that get heated up again, and then come down into stillness. So we’re always playing with that expansion and contraction, and even, you know, in our tantric practice, a lot, we will separate the roles of giver and receiver so that the person who’s actually receiving the experience can go deeper into their experience without having the pressure of needing, needing to give back or reciprocate in some way. And they just get the entire experience all to themselves, to be swimming in their own essence, you know, to just be filling themselves up with their own Shakti, their own Jing chi, their own divine life force, energy. And then we learn how to bring this, all this energy, we learn how to bring it to different glands in the body, different places in the body. When we bring it up to the brain, we’re lighting up the pineal, pituitary, and hypothalamus glands, all of which are very much related to your hormones, right?

Dr. Willow Brown 24:14
So then that’s when we’re working in an upward spiral, instead of a downward spiral of stress and frustration, and like things aren’t working out, and then the glands start to break down and not function as well. We can bring that sexual energy to the thyroid gland so that our metabolic function is working 10 times better. We can bring it to our adrenal glands. Y’all have heard of adrenal burnout before, I’m sure, and so one of the best ways to restore your adrenal glands is through the orgasmic upward draw, which is one of the foundational practices in Taoist sexology.

Kevin Anthony 24:50
Again, you shared so much in that. And so we’re talking about this chi and this energy that’s in your body. And that sounds sometimes a little Woo, Woo to people, but I love how you also, then brought in the modern science, and this is something that I’ve tried to do a little bit in my work too. Is, you know, we finally have the technology and the research to basically prove what the ancients knew 1000s of years ago, right? So this idea of, you know, how it’s affecting your hormones and the different glands in your body. You know, when people get introduced to the idea of chakras, they’re like energy said, I don’t really understand, but now we also know through research that we have these, these huge clusters of nerves, so much more dense nerve clusters in those areas that happen to correlate exactly with where the ancients said there were chakras, right?

Kevin Anthony 25:50
So I like to sort of reiterate that point, because I want people to understand that we’re not just talking about some esoteric, you know, woo, woo kind of thing that, you know, yeah, we kind of visualize it or recreate in our minds, like there’s actual science behind this. And I think that’s something that’s really cool and unique about your approach to it too, is that you are blending, you know, some of the cutting edge, you know, science that we’ve got along with these ancient techniques. Like, you know, just personally, you and I have had a bunch of conversations about some of the new peptides that are out there and how they can affect things, right?

Kevin Anthony 26:26
And so, so that idea of bringing both of those together, I think, is, is really wonderful, and it kind of leads me into my next question, which is, as we talk about this and you, you sort of answered this already, but I want to make it just even more clear for people who are listening, which is, you know, okay, so there’s this idea of these chakras in this G and how we can cultivate it, and all that, and All right, yeah, might have some health benefits, really. Let’s, let’s give them every reason to want to do this. So, in other words, explain to them why they might want to go down this path. What are the benefits for somebody who’s just, you know, figuring this out or just getting introduced to the ideas? What reasons would they have for wanting to embark on this journey?

Dr. Willow Brown 27:13
Yeah, great question. So, there In Taoist sexology, there’s something called superior orgasms, and I’m telling you right now, they’re fucking superior. They are way better than the sneeze between your legs that you usually get, and it really is founded in learning how to draw energy with breath and with sound to different places in your body. So having an adrenal gland orgasm is so exquisite, so exquisite, and really not that hard to do. Having a pineal gland orgasm is like taking your level of consciousness, no matter what level it’s on, to some other astronomical level. It’s really how you get to open up these pathways in your brain to receive more wisdom, more downloads, deeper sense of intuition, and they feel you feel these orgasms in these particular places in your body, but it reverberates out throughout the entire body, so you can have these more full body gasms as a result, bringing orgasmic energy to the heart is so valuable and so incredible, because we’ve all been through loss and heartbreak, and you know, people leaving our lives that we loved and cared about.

Dr. Willow Brown 28:41
And the heart gets, you know, taken down. It takes a beating as we walk this journey of life. And so it’s one of these really incredible, powerful ways, by bringing this orgasmic Qi to the heart, to heal the heart and to bring it back into a sense of coherence and a sense of balance within so that you can continue to walk forward in life and meet the next new people who are right for you, you know. And in addition to having these superior orgasms in all these amazing places in your body, you also get to, not only is it does it feel amazing, but it makes those glands work better. Now, there’s never been any scientific study on this that I know of, but it would be great to see, I mean, it’d be fascinating to see there’s definitely a lot of scientific study, you know, like in the Joe Dispenza community, around heart coherence, and you can measure that I sit in a group, or we measure that live once a week, and it’s incredible and so powerful.

Dr. Willow Brown 29:40
And so I know because when I’m seeing the monitor, a change in life, in a real person, when I go into a state of heart coherence, I know then what it feels like in my body. So then I can take that experience out into a sexual, you know, sexual experience that I’m playing with, and I can move myself in. Into that space and then draw orgasmic energy, let’s say to the heart, and really open up, not only that particular center of nerve bundles, also called the chakra, but also it can. It can, it can go to the surrounding neighbors, like the throat chakra, which is related to the thyroid gland, which is where all of our sleep cycles, circadian rhythms, you know, our digestion, a lot of metabolic things are happening there. Women’s cycles, thyroid is key. And so, yeah, I’ll just pause. There is that over there? Absolutely.

Kevin Anthony 30:37
So you know those, those who’ve been listening to my show for a long time. You know, you’ve heard me describe, you know, something that I used to use, this ridiculously long term we coined. I don’t even remember it anymore, but it was something along the lines of, you know, fucking amazing, out of this world, unbelievable. You know, it’s like this whole long series of words to describe, you know, exactly that kind of lovemaking that you’re talking about. In fact, I did an entire episode on this show, I think it was titled, this is what sex could be. Are you missing out? And in that, I literally spent an hour trying to describe to you what that’s like, right, and why you would want to do it, and how you could do it, right?

Kevin Anthony 31:20
And so we know, and I talk about this all the time on the show, about this love making, where you end up in an altered state, and it’s like, you know, you’re laying there, and you’re like, oh my god, I have to get up and peep, and I can’t even walk across the room, right? I gotta, like, hold on to the wall. Like, that is exactly what she’s talking about here, right? When she’s describing this experience, that you can have when you cultivate this energy and you learn to move it through your body. And then, of course, you also brought into that the health benefits, right? And all the ways in which this could potentially benefit your physical health as well. So hey, if those aren’t compelling reasons to try it, I don’t know what is.

Dr. Willow Brown 32:00
Yeah, it’s really not that difficult to learn. It’s really quite pleasurable and fun, actually. And yeah, it just takes you to places within your being, in your body, that you didn’t know were possible. And that’s one of the things that I love about teaching this and giving this to people, it’s like giving them ice cream for the first time. You know, when somebody first takes their first bite of ice cream, like, Wow, what a phenomenal thing. It’s like, cold and sweet. I don’t really don’t like ice cream personally, but other people love it, and so it’s just this delicious, amazing thing. And they’re just in awe. They’re just like, amazed at what they are capable of experiencing. And so when you then walk out into the world in front in this state of like, Oh, my God, I could experience that. Wow. What else could I co-create with this world?

Kevin Anthony 32:58
Yeah, absolutely. And we’ll talk about what else you can do with that energy in a moment. But just the idea that this is possible, and you know, you don’t, you don’t have to, you know, meditate in a cave for a decade or anything to learn this. Like, it’s accessible to everybody. And I always just tell people, too, like, Don’t allow yourself to get frustrated, right? Because people like, I want to learn this, right? And they’re like, how come I’m not instantly having that experience you described in your podcast, right? It’s like, it just takes a little time, but you’ll start to get there. And you know, things will happen in lovemaking that will kind of blow your mind, and you’ll be like, Whoa, what just happened? And that’ll happen more frequently and more expansively, and eventually you will get there.

Dr. Willow Brown 33:43
It becomes like a shamanic experience, almost like, because of all the chemicals and the pheromones and the oxytocin, the dopamine, all these internal, endogenous hormones that run through your body, a lot of people were like, Whoa. I just feel like I did a journey, like a mushroom journey or something, you know. So they can really, you can really get into these altered states, which is where a lot of answers and a lot of wisdom for our life path come from.

Kevin Anthony 34:12
Yeah, and I always use the term altered states, and I just used it earlier, and you used it as well, and this is why. So there’s been, there’s been a big in the last, oh, I don’t know, five-ish years or so, there’s been this sort of big, I don’t know if push is the right word, but it’s been coming into the awareness a lot to be using more substances along with your sex, right? So, like, there was a whole bunch of articles written a few years back about cannabis and sex, right, and how it’s going to make your sex life so much better, or CBD and sex, and all these different things. And my response to that has always been, you don’t need it.

Dr. Willow Brown 34:51
Totally, you don’t need it. All the medicine you need is inside your body, and that’s why I love the Taoist sexology path. I love the tantric path too. I’m really into. Egyptian sexual alchemy as well as all these different paths. But I think being an acupuncturist and being a Chinese medicine trained person, it’s like I can just, I know the meridian path so well, and I know how to draw energy through the particular channels into the particular places in my body where I know I need more chi, right? I know how to actually redirect the flow of the river so that I’m getting maximum results. And what’s great about you know, this knowledge and understanding for me within my own body is that I get to teach it and guide it. I get to teach people the map of pleasure that’s all over their body. I really think of acupuncture points as, like, these little Yonis that are all over your body, you know? So, like, everyone has these little portals of like, oh my god, suck on that some more. You know? It’s just, it’s amazing, the map that we carry around, and we all have it, no matter who we are.

Kevin Anthony 36:02
Yep, absolutely, yeah, that’s always been my point of view is like, you can cultivate all of this. You don’t need it, and furthermore, you have more control over it, you know, rather than when you have an external substance that’s going to come in and sort of override your nervous system and take you somewhere that you can or cannot necessarily control very well, right?

Dr. Willow Brown 36:24
Can be a distraction. Sometimes it can be great. Both are good play with whatever.

Kevin Anthony 36:29
Yeah, I lean more towards it’s a distraction. In fact, a few years back, when this was all kind of like a big thing, and it was like, everybody’s like, Oh, you got to incorporate this into your lovemaking. You know, neither Celine, my wife, nor I, you know, really ever used any substances at all, alcohol or anything else. And so I said, Okay, all right, we’re gonna, we’re going to use some substances and have sex and then, and then come back on the show and report our actual experience. Here’s what we experienced when we did this. Yeah. And so we did that, and we were using cannabis, which was the first experiment we did, and honestly, both of us walked away from that experience saying that sex wasn’t nearly as good as it normally is, better sober. Yeah, it was so because it was a distraction. One of the things that I remember her specifically telling me was that she felt more disconnected from me.

Dr. Willow Brown 37:24
Yeah, yeah, more in her head, less in her body.

Kevin Anthony 37:26
Yeah, less in her body, less connected to me. Felt physically less sensations. And I kind of felt the same way, physically less sensations when penetrating her than I normally would. So, you know, we didn’t do a whole show on it, but we talked about it in one of our old episodes.

Dr. Willow Brown 37:45
We did a show on it, too. We did a show. My podcast is called Sex Reimagined. Y’all, I do it with a girlfriend of mine, and we did a whole show on all the different, like, a bunch of different, you know, medicines that are out there, including alcohol, and like, how they affect and what’s possible and how they can change. And one thing I’ll say is, like, everything affects everyone so differently, like, we just don’t know until we go, you know. So I think it is valuable to experiment, because I’ve worked with couples who like cannabis, which was the thing that opened them up to the tantric path, you know? So it’s just, it’s everyone at different places. I mean, you and your wife, you guys had, you guys just had the perfect tantric Union from the get-go. So you guys were really super blessed in that, right? And not everyone has that.

Dr. Willow Brown 38:37
So we have to kind of figure out and find our way to a tantric union within ourselves, first and foremost. So Tantra, by the way, is two sorts of branches as well. There’s white Tantra, and then there’s red Tantra. So White Tantra is where you’re self-cultivating. So a lot of the Taoist practices are white tantric practices, because you’re maybe self-pleasuring, and then inhale, drawing it to the adrenal glands, or inhale, drawing it to the pituitary, and then red Tantra is where you bring in another partner, and you guys are playing in your sexual union and your arousal energy together. So both are super valuable, and we need to have a foundation of white Tantra in order to really bring you know our our well tuned instrument, to the band, so to speak.

Kevin Anthony 39:31
Yeah. And when we come back from the break, which we’re going to take in a minute, that’s where I want to go with the rest of the conversation is talking about how people can actually incorporate some of these things into their lives, and maybe talk about a few of those practices. And, you know, having said that, you know, we, we’re talking about, you know, these, these Taoist practices, and how we can use them, and how they move through our bodies, and all of that stuff. And you know how substances are put. Potentially come in and affect all of that. And it’s just, it’s all of it together, is really fascinating, because exactly what you just said a moment ago is it does affect everybody differently. So, for instance, if you happen to be maybe more shut down energetically, well, maybe the cannabis could potentially open some of that and then get you to another level.

Kevin Anthony 40:20
So I think that was a good point to bring up, that everybody’s going to be affected a little differently, although, you know, I had, oh, I’m drawing a blank on her name right now. You know who she is. You’ve met her through the group that we’re all involved in. She’s the one who makes the lioness vibrators, the smart vibrators, and anyway, so the smart vibrator tracks all this data, and they do interesting things where, you know, they do little experiments. And so they did an experiment about alcohol. So they had women, you know, basically, you know, drinking alcohol, and then using this vibrant, and then tracking the data, and then comparing it to when they’re not on alcohol. And hands down, the data showed that on alcohol, their orgasms and the whole experience, you’re not as good.

Dr. Willow Brown 41:10
Yeah? Well, alcohol is so numbing. Yeah? I mean, I’m in total agreement with you, Kevin. I’m the same. I’m like, I don’t need any substances. I’m getting high on my breath and my sound in my own Jing chi over here, you know, but, but everyone’s at a different, at a different place in their journey, and so it’s all it’s all worth exploring.

Kevin Anthony 41:30
Indeed, Anna. Anna was her name. That was only, I think, her. Anna, yeah, Anna. Anna Lee, I believe her. And that episode was just not last week’s, maybe the week before is one of the last episodes that came out. So I thought it was interesting. They collected some fascinating data.

Dr. Willow Brown 41:48
Fascinating. I want to listen.

Kevin Anthony 41:50
All right, quick break. Then we’re going to come back and talk about some practices. Are you a couple? Are your relationship and sex life where you want them to be? Are there changes you would like to make, but just don’t know how? Maybe you think there is nothing that can be done if you’re not 100% happy with where your relationship or sex life is, then get help today and change your life. Go to https://www.kevinanthonycoaching.com/couples/ and schedule a strategy call with me today so we can map out a strategy to get you where you want to be, so you can have it all your way. Go to https://www.kevinanthonycoaching.com/couples/. That’s obviously my couples coaching program. We get to work on all this stuff that we’re talking about, and so so much more. So go check that out: https://www.kevinanthonycoaching.com/couples/.

Kevin Anthony 42:36
Okay, so we’ve been talking about, you know, these Taoist practices, this idea of sexual energy and how to cultivate it, and the reasons why somebody might want to cultivate it. And you know, we’ve been teasing them about these amazing love-making sessions that they could potentially be having if they absolutely could. I shared one time on the show, actually, Celine and I shared it on the show one time, that our current record was five hours long. And the only reason why we stopped was that I realized this was when we were first dating, and we weren’t living together yet, and I was over at her place, and all of a sudden, I realized what time it was and how many hours we had been lost in this bubble. And I was like, oh shit, I gotta go to work. Otherwise, we would have kept going; that’s the kind of stuff that’s possible.

Dr. Willow Brown 43:33
Time just disappears when you’re in those bubbles. It’s so great. The best. Well, one of the longest sexual sessions I ever had was eight hours, and we did not even have penetrative sex. It was some of the best sex I ever had. There was no penetration for eight hours. So amazing. It’s, it’s incredible. That was with another Taoist practitioner. So we were really mapping.

Kevin Anthony 43:55
Yeah, you know, for those kinds of sessions, as you mentioned before, there are these sorts of, like, ebbs and flows, right, moments of stillness, and then moments of, you know, more passion and excitement. Like, if you’re going to go, you know, five to eight hours, there’s going to be a lot of those moments, but the overall, sort of underlying energy of the experience is always there throughout all of it.

Dr. Willow Brown 44:16
Yeah, it’s so cool. You really get to, like, learn how to read and ride energy and attune to yourself and your partner more deeply in those kinds of experiences.

Kevin Anthony 44:28
Yeah. And I can remember, you know, even at five hours long, like there had to be a meal in between there, right? Because you’re moving so much energy. But the cool thing is, is that, you know, well, fortunately, in that situation, we didn’t actually have to, like, break the energy and get into our heads and get, like, what are we going to make in the kitchen? Somebody brought us a bunch of food, and so we were, we were set, but like, then the eating of that food itself becomes part of that, yeah, right. That becomes part of the sexual experience, and how sensual that. Was in that moment.

Dr. Willow Brown 45:01
Oh, my God, I discovered strawberry kissing with that particular partner. And we would each like to take a straw, half of the strawberry in our mouth, and bite it together. So we’d each have half of it in our mouths and then kiss from there. It was a delightful experience. You all should try that at home.

Kevin Anthony 45:19
It is a delightful experience. Chocolate is another good way to do that. One too. Okay, okay, on topic, I’m gonna be talking about here exactly where I wanted to go next, which was to talk about some practices, right? So somebody’s listening to this episode, and they’re like, Wow, this sounds amazing, especially when you and I are just getting lost in past memories of these experiences. Like, what are some practices that people could start with? How could they start to get into this and maybe at least get a glimpse of what’s possible?

Dr. Willow Brown 45:53
Yeah, great question. So I’ll give you all the foundational practice, which is the base of all the other practices. All the other practices build on this one. And this one is called turtle breathing, or kidney breathing, the Daoist, the ancient Taoists. They didn’t have Instagram to spend their time on, or YouTube, so they watched nature, and they said, Whoa, what’s going on with these turtles over here? And they were like, wow, the turtles live a long time. They have great longevity. And so they started watching the breath of the turtles, and they started to see the turtle’s shell go up and down. And that’s where Taoism comes from. It comes from total dorks way back in the day, just watching nature and mimicking nature in their bodies.

Dr. Willow Brown 46:46
So they started to breathe into their lower back, as if they had a turtle shell on their lower back. And then they started to bring different levels of chi and arousal and orgasmic energy to the lower back. And they, you know, they had a sense of like, these are the batteries. The adrenals are the battery, the batteries, and they’re right underneath the back ribs of the body. So I’ll teach you that. I’ll teach you the kidney breathing, the turtle breath, and and it’s, it’s very calming, it’s very centering. Kind of makes your mind go blank. It’s sort of a great way to induce yourself into meditation. And then what I’ll invite you to do is take the practice into your next pleasure session, whether with yourself or with a partner. And every time you get close to like, oh my god, I’m about to come, pause yourself and turtle breathe instead, and see if you can do that three times before you have your over-the-edge, waterfall-flowing orgasm. And you’ll notice that your orgasm is way better, longer, stronger. And you know you’re probably going to see some flashing lights in your brain, so possibly no expectations, but so I’ll give you that now.

Dr. Willow Brown 48:06
So if you just bring your awareness to your lower back, and just imagine that you have a turtle shell on your lower back, and then exhale all the way out, all the breath, work begins on an exhale. So we’re clearing all the way down to the very bottom of the lungs. This would be the fall element of a single breath, exhale to the bottom. Hold pause there. That would be winter. And then as you inhale, put, draw your inhale into your lower back, as if you’re pushing that turtle shell toward the wall behind you, really expanding and opening into that lower back, pushing that shell toward the space behind you. Pause at the top of your inhale. That would be spring on the inhale, summer at the pause at the top. And then, as you exhale, let that turtle shell come back toward your spine. Nice, long, slow exhale. Fall, the season of the breath, all the way to the bottom. Pause, be in the stillnes,s winter contraction, listen, then inhale and pull the breath into the lower back, pushing the lower back toward the space behind you, creating so much space in the lower back with your inhale, that the adrenal glands start to float right up off of the kidneys, creating some space between those two structures in your body.

Dr. Willow Brown 49:30
And then, as you exhale, let the breath come back, allowing the turtle shell to come back toward your spine. On this next round, we’re going to add a pull of the pelvic floor muscle, so without squeezing a kegel muscle really strongly and tight, instead, let your breath draw the pelvic floor muscles gently up and in as your turtle shell is moving toward the wall behind you, i. Pausing at the top in that fullness, feeling yourself in your fullness, in all of yourself. And then, as you exhale, let that Shell come back down toward the spine. So that’s pretty much it. You just add the little pelvic floor upward, draw to the turtle breath, and then you’re basically drawing your Jing chi, your most potent creative life force energy. You’re drawing it to the adrenal glands. And what I love about drawing the orgasm, this is an orgasmic upward draw. So, turtle breath plus kegeling is the orgasmic upward draw. And what I love about bringing it to the kidneys is it’s a short little pathway, pelvic floor to low back. It’s not that far. It’s pretty easy to do. You know, if you want to bring it up to the heart, that’s a little further away, you could do that as well. You could bring it to the brain. You know, all things are possible, but that is how you will do three rounds of that. So then get to the next edge of like, I’m about to release and pause yourself and do another round, maybe, like three rounds of the turtle breath for every close to climax that you get to wonderful.

Kevin Anthony 51:07
Yeah, that’s great. And now people have a practice that they can literally take with them. Right now. They don’t even have to go learn it from somebody.

Dr. Willow Brown 51:16
They don’t have to come to have a visit with me. You just had it.

Kevin Anthony 51:22
But you probably should. I mean, if you have a choice between doing it by yourself at home and having a visit with Willow, you should probably have a visit with Willow.

Dr. Willow Brown 51:32
Way more pleasurable.

Kevin Anthony 51:36
So, just that was wonderful, by the way that you stepped them through that you don’t have to teach them any others, but maybe you could just whet their appetites with maybe a couple of other ideas of practices that you know are in this realm that they could potentially learn.

Dr. Willow Brown 51:53
Yeah, so the Daoist system is really big on non ejaculatory orgasms for men, and what we just did is one of the primary ways to do that. Then there are also pressure points on the pelvic floor, called the Million Dollar Point, right? We press into that point with the fingers or pull up on it, and with the muscle musculature there. And that’s how men can hold their semen but still have a full body orgasm. So they can hold the release, but they can still have an orgasm. That’s how men can become multi orgasmic. I think it is important within that arena of Tao sexology to have an orgasmic release and actually release the fluid every time you know, so often, depending on your age and your biological age, more than anything, more than your actual age. There’s also a practice called the deer exercise, which really supports the for women, the ovaries for men, the testes and running energy through the heart as well.

Dr. Willow Brown 53:03
So connecting sexual organs to the heart, because there’s a whole meridian that connects those two, and it’s a very powerful channel in the body. So running energy from genitals to heart is a really delightful, delicious, and it just feels like it washes out the center of you, you know, and what’s really at the center of us is our gut. And so so many of us don’t have healthy guts these days, and we also are not following our guts, right? We’re afraid to follow our intuition. We’re all stuck up in our heads. So there’s some real value to like, getting that pathway opened up in the body. In addition, there’s something called ovarian breathing that women can do that is so healing. I’ve helped people heal from PCOS, from endometriosis, and interstitial cystitis, which is a burning in the bladder. I’ve helped people heal infertility. I’ve helped people heal, just you name it. In the gynecological arena, I’ve seen people heal using this modality with herbs and other things, as wellas diet.

Dr. Willow Brown 54:12
But it’s really, really powerful, and it really opens up the pineal gland, which is the gland in your brain that connects you to spirituality and higher consciousness. Let’s see. Why else would you want to practice Taoist sexology? Well, I mean, my question is, why wouldn’t you want to?

Kevin Anthony 54:29
I completely agree, and I think we’ve made a pretty compelling case for it here. And as you just shared a few more practices that people could potentially learn that are very powerful. And it’s not even limited to those. There are others that you didn’t mention as well. And so I just, I really want people to know that there is a lot of value here. If this is something that they want to pursue, and I agree with you, why not? Right? Like you got nothing to lose, you only have a potential upside, right? But I want. To come back to one thing that you talked about, because I’ve had this conversation with quite a few people, and I’m curious about your take on it.

Kevin Anthony 55:06
So you were mentioning that you obviously think it’s possible to have non ejaculatory orgasms, and you were suggesting that you probably should allow yourself to have an ejaculation from time to time, just to keep things moving. I know that in Daoism, there’s an actual chart based on your age where they tell you how frequently you should or shouldn’t, and obviously, the older you get, the much less frequently they tell you you should ejaculate. I have my own opinions on this. I’m curious what your take on it is, do you subscribe to the chart in Daoism, which I’m sure you’ve seen, or do you have a slightly different take on it? And then I’ll share my opinion.

Dr. Willow Brown 55:49
Yeah, I’d love to hear your opinion. I’m curious. You know, my opinion is very similar to how I feel about using exogenous medicines. It’s like everybody is different, and you have to find what works for you. So if you notice that ejaculating three times a week is making you feel tired after sex, you should basically, you should base it on you should feel energized after sex. So if you’re ejaculating three times a week, and you feel totally energized after sex, and you’re like, up and ready to go, and you’re not rolling over and crashing out. Then, God bless. Enjoy. It’s really so it’s the, you know, for example, three times a week. It just depends on each person and their system. So there’s, I, don’t, you know, I have taught that and in the past, like, Okay, you’re this age, and you got to do this many times a month and this many times a week. But I don’t really subscribe to that anymore. It’s more just like, how the individual feels, and that’s kind of what I have them keep their finger on the pulse of, you know, like, how do you feel afterwards? Do you feel enlivened and in your creativity, and like you can take on the world, great, then that’s what we’re going for.

Kevin Anthony 57:04
Yes, so I’m in line with what you’re sharing. I mean, I remember reading that chart, and I remember looking at my age group at the time, and I was still fairly young at the time, and I was thinking, that’s not very many times. I’m like, I could do way more than that, right? And then, of course, as I’ve gotten older, you know, I’ve managed to stay healthy and in good shape, and I’m just like, yeah, I don’t, I don’t really resonate with the chart. I also used to have this argument all the time with a colleague of mine who used to be based here in Southern California, and I knew him personally, and he would be, you know, he was a little bit older than I am, so he used to run around saying all the time, it doesn’t matter, you can ejaculate as many times as you want. I am, you know, I remember, you know, he’s like, I’m 50, whatever, and I ejaculate multiple times a day, and blah, blah, blah, and I have no loss of energy and all that.

Kevin Anthony 57:57
And I used to tell him all the time, I’m like, Yes, but you and your wife are cultivating hours-long sessions of lovemaking you cannot go around telling the average person they can just ejaculate three times a day, every day, like there’s no way they’re going to be able to handle that. They’re going to be exhausted. They’re going to they’re going to crash their adrenals, like it’s not going to be good. I’m like, if you’re going to tell people that you have to make the distinction. So I agree with you. The distinction is, if you’re cultivating the energy and you’re still feeling energized and you know, alive and vibrant, then you know that you’re doing okay.

Dr. Willow Brown 58:39
Yeah, exactly. And I think that you know you, you have to, you have to learn your own body in order to know where the perfect, divine right balance point is for you, which is going to change. As you know, balance isn’t something we ever fully attain. It’s something that we teeter around the edge of constantly, and maybe we catch a glimpse of it, but then it’s just to teeter totter again, right? And so you’re looking for your own perfect divine right dosage. Oh, look at me. I’m talking peptides. All of a sudden, it’s the same as peptides, you know? It’s like you got to find your divine right dosage.

Dr. Willow Brown 59:15
And so, yeah, when you are when you swing to the other side, and you try non ejaculatory technique, and you get good at it, and you start to understand what that feels like, because it’s a different kind of orgasm. It does feel different than what you’re used to. And most men’s brains are like orgasm and ejaculation, the same physiological function. You can’t separate those two. That’s not possible. But the reality is, it is possible. They are two separate physiological functions, and when you expand your awareness, your knowledge, and your embodied experience to feel them as two separate physiological functions, you’re going to learn. A fucking lot about yourself, and you’re gonna then know what the other side of the spectrum is for you, right? And so then you find your divine right. How many ejaculations per month or week is right for you?

Kevin Anthony 1:00:14
And so now I want to just briefly talk about the opposite end of that spectrum, right? Because, you know, in the general populace, it’s more of, you know, I want to ejaculate as many times as I feel like it, and without a whole lot of conscious thought about, you know, what that’s doing to their energy level. But then when people discover this practice, and they learn they can have non ejaculatory orgasms, there are, there’s a small subset of men who go in the complete opposite direction, and they’re like, I don’t really ever need to ejaculate, like, I just gonna hold it, because I’m gonna take all of that chi and I’m gonna use it in other ways.

Kevin Anthony 1:00:52
And you know, there isn’t necessarily anything wrong with taking that chi and using it in other ways. In fact, it’s a really good thing. However, I’m curious your thoughts, because, again, I have my own thoughts on this, but the idea that if you are never ejaculating, if you are never flushing out the fluids from and this is another thing I often have to explain to men, it’s not all coming from your testicles, guys, it’s coming from your prostate also. And that’s important to know, because prostate health here, especially as an aging male, is important, and I personally think it’s a good idea to flush that out from time to time, and that time to time should not be really, really far apart. Interestingly enough, I watched a video recently. I’m sure you’ve heard of Dr Irina Malek, right? She’s huge on YouTube. She’s I watched her channel go from a few subscribers to blowing up to huge numbers.

Kevin Anthony 1:01:47
She’s a urologist, basically, and she talks about this stuff all the time. If you’re not familiar with her, look her up. She’s gotten very popular in the last couple of years, and she recently did a video on how frequently men should ejaculate. But what she brought into it, she didn’t obviously talk about any of the Taoist stuff, but she brought in some more modern research where they were tracking this and trying to make correlations with prostate health. And so they did actually find that men who ejaculated more frequently had lower instances of prostate issues. So just to throw that out there, that’s an interesting thing, too. So, but now we’re talking about finding that balance between the two of them, right?

Dr. Willow Brown 1:02:29
I mean, I think that, you know, there’s for sure we need to flush the prostate out. I agree with that 100%, and there’s also, every time a man ejaculates, that’s 200 million potential lives that go into a tissue or the sheets or a sock or a condom, right? And so that’s a lot of jing chi. Those could be actual humans, 200 million potential lives. So that’s why the cultivation of that and the retention of semen is so valuable, and why people do kind of get addicted to it. I know who you are, I know you’re talking about them. And I think that you know there’s also, there’s also doing it really, really well, and there’s doing it not well. And so all you know, if we’re, if we’re not actually fully moving that chi back up into the body, then it can coagulate and stagnate in the testes. So then it does really, we do need to flush, which is why I think we all, all men, should flush every, you know, at least twice a month. But I, what else was I going to say about that? Something about, yeah, I lost my train of thought. But basically, pick it up.

Kevin Anthony 1:03:48
I mean, absolutely. So basically, what you’re saying is you’re in line with the way I tend to see it. Now, personally, as a guy, I mean, for many, many years, I was on the, you know, twice a month is pretty much good for me. Like, the overwhelming majority of times I would have sex, I would choose not to ejaculate. Didn’t need to. I was moving so much energy through my body. Like, this is a thing, like, as I said, well, didn’t you have blue balls and didn’t it feel like you, you know, didn’t know I’m like, I would be lying there feeling just as satiated as if I actually ejaculated. And that’s hard for a lot of guys to wrap their minds around, if they’ve never experienced if they’ve never experienced it. But you know what, as I’m getting older, I’ve been experimenting lately with intentionally increasing that number a little bit, just because, you know, man in his 50s.

Dr. Willow Brown 1:04:38
Keep that prostate health absolutely, so there are other ways to do that as well.

Kevin Anthony 1:04:44
That is true. Great milking, prostate milking practices that you can do that don’t necessarily involve ejaculating. That was another thing that was something that my wife Celine was. Actually, an expert was doing prostate massage on men. And so she used to say to me all the time, and I was significantly even younger back then, she would say, she’s like, every month you need to, you need to have at least one prostate massage. And she would like to put it on the calendar. She’s like, you haven’t had one this month. Here you go.

Dr. Willow Brown 1:05:19
You know, that’s a good wife there.

Kevin Anthony 1:05:21
Yeah, exactly. That is a good woman.

Dr. Willow Brown 1:05:22
Yeah, you’ve got to take care of your man’s prostate. Ladies, and I think you know that’s, that’s a whole nother topic for a whole nother time, but basically that that is such a critical and crucial part of anatomy that gets under like, the only time the prostate ever gets touched is at the doctor’s office, usually, and there’s a whole world of pleasure in the prostate for men. But it, you know, it takes some skill and some education to find it.

Kevin Anthony 1:05:55
A little skill, a little education, and a whole lot of getting over something, sticking something in your butt, which a lot of guys still have a problem with.

Dr. Willow Brown 1:06:04
But, yeah, psychological things to work with, too. And what I think is so interesting about that particular topic is that it is a point of safety. You know, the anus is like, it’s down with the Root Chakra. It’s a point of safety and feeling grounded and, you know, connected to the earth. And I have a, I have a buddy that, you know, is in the sexuality realm as well. And recently, he was like, check it out. Like, pay attention to your clients. The men who come in with an open asshole actually are wealthier. I was like, Huh? I’m going to check that out, you know. So I’ve been doing my own little research project on that. I’m like, yeah, maybe true. You know, it could be.

Kevin Anthony 1:06:45
That’s a really interesting thing. Because my wife used to talk about that too, because she used to be, she was a certified sexological body worker, and so she would, she would work with men hands-on, a lot, especially early on, not so much later on in her career. But early on, she worked with a lot of men. And she would often say all the time, like, you know, either how tight their anus was, or also how stiff or how tight or not their perineum was, yes, and so that was another thing she used to do, is just palpate the perineum. And she’s like, you know, so so many of the men that came in, it was either rock hard or it was so soft that you could just sink right into it, right there was, there was no, like, what, what you’re really looking for is, you know, some elasticity, but some firmness between.

Dr. Willow Brown 1:07:31
Yeah, you’re not leaking energy, but you’re, you’re, you’re containing, but you’re not too tight ass that you can’t receive.

Kevin Anthony 1:07:41
Right, exactly, and so, so she used to, like, you know, we get to know a client, you kind of know where they’re at in life and what they’re dealing with. And then, like, you could make correlations, yeah, you could say, Wow, all the men that show up with really tight asses and really tight, you know, perineums have these kinds of general traits. It’s really fascinating. Learn about people. The body tells everything. It really does, if you know what to look for, okay, yeah, we are actually quite a bit over time, but so much fun, exactly, having tons of fun.

Kevin Anthony 1:08:13
We’ll have to do it again and maybe talk about some of these other things, because you’re right that we could talk, we could do a whole show just on the prostate part of it, which is this is an important thing for men to know, but I think we’ve done a good job today of introducing people to the idea of Taoist sexual practices and why they might want to use them, and even gave them some practical practices that they can take home today. So I think we’ve accomplished our goal for this episode, and I just want to thank you for coming on and sharing your knowledge and wisdom such a pleasure. And by the way, don’t forget, because I almost just forgot to tell everybody where they can find out more about you and your work.

Dr. Willow Brown 1:08:54
So my website is Drwillowbrown.com, and my Instagram is Dr Willow I think I might have my last name too. I’m not very oriented to social media. And then I’ve got the sex reimagined podcast on all the channels. We’ve got YouTube. I’ve got a YouTube personal one, dr, Willow Brown, plus the sex reimagined one on our sex remand imagined podcast. We have had the one and only Kevin Anthony, and it’s a fantastic episode, so go check that out with me and my co host. And yeah, feel free to book a free consult with me. Anybody who’s interested in learning more.

Kevin Anthony 1:09:30
Awesome. Well, thank you again for coming on the show, and everybody, go check out Dr willowbrown.com. Also, check out her podcast. And as well. Just mentioned I was on the podcast. I’ve also had your partner, Leah, on this show. So if you listened to my episode with Leah Piper, where we talked about nerve pathways to orgasms, you can get a feel for what Leah is like as well. So go check out their podcast and one more time. Thanks for sharing. Coming on the show. Thank you. All right, everybody. That’s all the time I have for this episode, and I will see you next week.

Kevin Anthony 1:10:13
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