Can You Enlarge Your Penis? Award Winning Urologist Speaks Out

Kevin Anthony 0:05
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Welcome back to the Love Lab podcast. This is episode 315 and it is titled, can you enlarge your penis? Award-winning urologist speaks out. So if you’ve been a longtime listener of this show you know that we’ve done a couple of episodes revolving around this topic of, can you actually enlarge your penis? Every guy wants to know the answer to this. There is a ton of information if you type this into any search engine, you will get so many results for this, it’s overwhelming. And what’s also overwhelming is the majority of them, in my personal opinion, are just complete and total BS. I have had so many conversations. I’ve had listeners email me these long, you know, emails with this whole protocol, of all these things that they’re doing. The funniest one was this protocol was so insane. I’m like, Who has time to do this protocol every day? And then in the midst of arguing with me about the fact that it actually works, he admitted that if he stops doing the protocol, he actually loses the gains. And I’m just like, you just admitted that what I was telling you is true.

So it is something that obviously a lot of men want to know about, and something that I think there’s just too much misunderstanding on this subject. So today, I have a guest on it’s a repeat guest. I had him on the show, and I was actually a couple of years ago now, we were discussing. I even have his book right here, the 21st Century Man, which is a great book, by the way. I read the entire thing from cover to cover. I really, I really liked it and appreciated it, which is for a book of this type it’s kind of rare because a lot of times I’ll be like, Yeah, okay, I agree with that part, but not that part. But I actually thought that was really a quality book. I appreciated it. So thanks.

We’re already having a conversation. I haven’t even introduced you to this show yet, but like I was just telling the listeners, Dr Justin Brandeis is a repeat guest in the show. I’m really happy to have him back. I will introduce him in just a moment. Let me do a quick read for my sponsor, and then we’ll get going.

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All right, I’ve already mentioned Dr Brandeis a few times here. He is an award-winning urologist and sexual medicine expert, clinical researcher, physician educator and a caring clinician and surgeon, a graduate of Brown University and Vanderbilt University, School of Medicine with your urologic surgery residency at UCS UCLA the postdoc fellowship at Harvard today. He specializes in the emerging field of sexual health and medicine. Welcome back to the show.

Dr. Judson Brandeis 4:31
Oh, thank you so much. It’s great to be back.

Kevin Anthony 4:33
All right, so the last time that I had you on, we were really talking about the title of that episode was something along the lines of the modern disaster of men’s sexual health, and we covered a big range of topics in that one. This one’s going to be definitely much more narrow. We’re going to talk specifically about enlarging your penis. The Good, the Bad, the Ugly, as I like to say. Right? So before we start talking about protocols, I gotta ask you, because obviously, men are coming to you because they want to enlarge their penis. So what are the reasons that most men state for wanting to enlarge their penis?

Dr. Judson Brandeis 5:17
You know, it’s just a personal preference, I think, based on societal pressures. And I mean the function of the penis is urination and procreation, right? And probably 98% of the penises that I see fall into that category, where they’re adequate for urination and adequate for procreation, right? So really, it’s, it’s personal preference, and you’d be surprised. I get the full gamut of penis sizes. I get guys coming in with smaller penises, average size penises, and with larger penises. It there doesn’t seem to be a a pattern or a trend of who comes in. You know when, when questionnaires ask men, do you want to have a larger penis? 50% of men say yes, and 50% of men are probably lying.

Kevin Anthony 6:14
That’s funny. Well, it’s interesting. I mean, if the results are 50% of men say yes. You know, we know. We know what the average penis size is, and we know that 50% of men are obviously because it’s an average smaller than that. So it would make sense that at least 50% of the people who are smaller than the average size would be thinking that they would want to increase their penis size. That makes sense. You know, interestingly enough, on this topic. I talk about this all the time doing the work that I do. Obviously, I talk to men with a broad range of penis sizes also. I also have some personal friends who have very large penisis. And one of the things that I often hear from men with really large penises is that there are some serious downsides when having sex, due to the fact that their penis is actually too large to be used in the same way that somebody with a more normal-sized penis could do it.

Dr. Judson Brandeis 7:09
Yeah, I had a patient who was a P-long study participant who continued after the six months of the P-long study and continued to grow. And then he came in to see me, and he said, you know, Doc, this is going to be the last time I see you. And I said, Oh, you know, how come? You know, aren’t things going well? He goes, Well, things are going a little too well. He said, My wife says I’m too big for oral and too big for anal, and that I need to leave at least one orifice open.

Kevin Anthony 7:41
Well, right away that says something about your program. But, but two, I kind of wanted to make that point, because I want guys like, Look, guys, the average penis is five inches, right? Most women would be satisfied with anywhere from five to seven-ish inches, and they would be perfectly happy with that. If you’re already at the high end of that scale and you’re thinking, you want to go bigger, I would caution you, you know, not all women are going to be okay with that. Just a little, a little piece of advice. Okay, so it sounds like there isn’t a real pattern as to who comes into you and what their potential reasons are. I’m wondering. My second question is, in what situations would you recommend an enlargement protocol, like, is it perfectly fine for anybody? Or are there certain situations where you’re like a yes, in certain situations where you’re like a no?

Dr. Judson Brandeis 8:43
Yeah, that’s a great question. I’ve been actually very, very pleasantly surprised by the quality is the wrong word. But you know, the people that come in to see me for P L enhancement, they’re not kind of weird, creepy people. They’re actually like normal, nice people. I get a lot of engineers, a lot of scientists, a lot of a lot of really educated folks. And it’s been a very positive experience helping these folks achieve their goals, and it builds self-confidence for them. You know, the nice thing about the P long is that not only does it increase length, it also increases girth, and it also improves function. And so men are getting the benefit all three of those things. And so they feel better about themselves. They feel more confident and so in general, I think things go better for them.

Kevin Anthony 9:40
Well, obviously, that’s, that’s always the goal, right? It’s not just the size, but the size is really a means to an end, which is that, you know, they have better sex, they feel more confident, right?

Dr. Judson Brandeis 9:56
I think, for the I’m not a woman, but I. So I think that women or partners are, in general, looking more for self-confidence rather than penile size. And so if you go through the trouble of getting some fillers squirted into the penis or a fat transfer, or, you know, a silicone implant for size, and then you present yourself, I think in some respects it might be a downer, because the person says, Well, you know, how come you’re not confident enough in what you have? And the nice thing about the P long protocol is it gives you a perfectly normal and symmetrical penis that is just a little bit larger. And so the partner is not saying, Why did you put that foreign body in your penis to make it bigger? It just is bigger.

Kevin Anthony 10:48
Yeah, that’s interesting, right? Because I think if you, if you kind of take the shortcut of that right, with the fillers or whatever, it may not confer the same benefit of that self-confidence, right, right? Right? So that actually leads me to my next question, which is I really want to talk about the more common protocols that are out there and the benefits, if there are any, and potential downsides. So what would you say? Let’s just say that the top three things out there that men could potentially do to increase their penis size. And let’s just take them one at a time and kind of talk about each protocol.

Dr. Judson Brandeis 11:27
The first one that was out there is a suspensory ligament ligation. So the penis is hung from the underside of the pubic bone by a ligament called the suspensory ligament. And if you cut that ligament, then the penis will hang lower, right? So if you’re in the locker room and you’re in a flaccid state, your penis looks longer. The problem is that the suspensory ligament serves a really important purpose, which is to suspend the penis during an erection. So when these guys get erections, their penis points towards their toes. The other thing is, it doesn’t give you any increase in erect penile length. And then the unfortunate thing is, when that suspensory ligament scars back in after you cut it, now, all of a sudden, you’re not able to push the internal part of your penis out, so in the end, you get a smaller penis that points down towards your toes. Oh, wow. So that’s, yeah, that’s, that’s a real disaster. I mean, anyone that’s considering ligation of a suspensory ligament as an opportunity to increase the size of the penis, please don’t it’s a huge mistake.

Kevin Anthony 12:39
That’s interesting. So I mean, obviously I’m aware of that that’s been around for a really long time, and I was aware of pretty much everything you said, except for that part of in the end, when it scars over, you actually end up with a shorter penis. Wow. Talk about a reason to not do it. The whole reason you’re going through this is to get a longer penis, and in the end, you end up with a shorter one.

Dr. Judson Brandeis 13:04
The thing is, anatomically, half your penis is on the inside and half the penis is on the outside. And so when you get an erection, a half that’s on the inside increases in size, and the half’s on the outside also increases in size. But if you’re limiting the erection to just the the outside part because the scar tissue prevents the inside part from expanding. You know, you really that’s a real big problem.

Kevin Anthony 13:29
That is a big problem, and I don’t know that. I mean, granted, I haven’t studied Penis Enlargement techniques all that much, but I wasn’t even aware of that particular part. So I’m guessing that a lot of men are probably not told that that’s a potential result of that procedure.

Dr. Judson Brandeis 13:47
No, I mean, I’ve never done it before, but I’ve undone it, meaning I’ve dealt with the complications of those procedures, but I’ve never actually surgically. I’ve never done it before you know. Another, probably the most common technique now is the injection of fillers. And you can use their variety of fillers, from collagen to hyaluronic acid to PMMA, and a lot of it deals with the absorptivity. So collagen absorbs within six months, hyaluronic acid absorbs within a year or two, and PMMA lasts a bit longer. But you know, the longer it lasts, the more hard the actual material feels, and the more difficult it is to inject. But in general, hyaluronic acid is the most common, and it’ll last for about a year or two. But the problem is one, it’s expensive. So the initial injection is about 10,000 bucks, and then in order to maintain that, you need about $2,500 worth of injections every year. If not, then the water content of the hyaluronic acid goes. Away, and then eventually the hyaluronic acid itself begins to get reabsorbed, and you end up with a lumpy, bumpy penis.

Kevin Anthony 15:06
Oh, that is not good. So, in this case, you’ve got an extremely high cost, right? You’ve got a high cost of maintenance. You’ve got the fact that in the end, it doesn’t last long term, and when it starts to go away, you end up with a lumpy, bumpy penis. This sounds terrible.

Dr. Judson Brandeis 15:26
Well, and the other thing is, it doesn’t do anything for a length. It’s just to improve girth, and so you end up with a big shaft and a small head. So it kind of looks like a pig in a blanket, you know. And the pig in a blanket is great at cocktail parties, but it’s not good in bed, right?

Kevin Anthony 15:46
Absolutely, you know, it’s interesting. I mean, obviously, I’ve had you on the show before, so I know, and I’ve read your book, so I have a lot of faith in you know, you and your level of knowledge when having you on the show. But I have been pitched multiple times by doctors who want to come on the show and talk about these penile filler procedures. And I have not had any of them on because I just don’t agree with the procedure itself.

Dr. Judson Brandeis 16:15
Yeah, it’s, you know, it’s unfortunate, because men are very, a lot of men are very insecure about their penis and penis size, and so it’s it’s super easy for people that are slick salespeople are marketing people to prey on folks that have that insecurity. I mean, you can say you buy $1,000 penile enhancement, whatever you know, and it doesn’t work for you. Are you going to go down to Amazon, where you know, or the UPS store, where you know the guy that owns the ops store, and say, listen, this penile extender didn’t work? Can you package it up and send it back to Amazon? No, you know that they’re just gonna, you’re just gonna, you’re just gonna eat the cost and, you know, box it up and throw it in the trash and, you know, and feel sad.

So, you know, speaking of feeling sad, you know, the most recent entry into the penile enhancement space is the pneuma, or they also call it the hemp plant, which is like a silicone taco shell that is surgically inserted basically over the erectile bodies and under the skin. This will give men an increase in girth of about five centimeters and an increase in flaccid penile length. It doesn’t increase rigid penile length, just flaccid penile length. And you know, under the best of circumstances, it actually works reasonably well, although we don’t really know what the long-term effects of this are going to be because as you get older and your skin gets thinner, there’s the possibility that the implant, which is a stiff silicone, can actually extrude or pushed through the skin. But the other thing is, I’ve seen a lot of patients who’ve had them removed, either for discomfort or infection. I had this one poor guy, a 25-year-old male nurse who came in with a perfectly normal penis, had the Pneuma placed, got an infection, was in the hospital for a week on intravenous antibiotics, and finally had to get it removed, and has subsequently had at least two additional surgical procedures to try to get back to where he started from.

Kevin Anthony 18:40
I think anytime you start going around and cutting into things like your penis, I mean, isn’t there always a potential, not only for infection but things like scar tissue and that sort of thing, absolutely,

Dr. Judson Brandeis 18:51
Absolutely, and that, you know, that’s the beauty of the P-long protocol. It says, Really, no negative side effects of the treatment. You know that it’s, it’s your own platelets, and it’s injection through a 30 single injection through a 30 gauge needle, so it’s really incredibly safe.

Kevin Anthony 19:09
Yeah, we’re going to talk about that protocol for sure in a little bit. One of the reasons I want to talk about these is because I wanted, of course, to warn men, you know, not to do things that are going to potentially hurt themselves, right? And two, once we understand what the other alternatives are, I think understanding what your protocol does will make a lot more sense, right?

Dr. Judson Brandeis 19:31
You know that’s the point I was trying to make in the beginning, was, if your penis is adequate for urination and procreation, then you should do no harm. You know, it’s, it’s good enough do no harm. You know, if you’re going to do something, make sure that the likelihood of problems really, really small.

Kevin Anthony 19:55
Yeah, you know. And that’s something else that I find that is interesting, because with seven. All of these protocols that you’ve talked about so far, these other procedures, they’re only really enhancing flaccid length, which, okay, I mean, if you’re walking around naked a lot and you want to show real good, okay, but it’s not helping you in the bedroom at all.

Dr. Judson Brandeis 20:18
So if a guy wants to enhance the flaccid length, the best thing to do is inject Botox into the penis. Really, yeah, so Botox relaxes smooth muscle, and the penis is basically vascular tissue and vascular smooth muscle. So there was a paper out of Egypt about five years ago. I have an ebook on my website, if you’re interested, that kind of talks about this whole technique and technology. But if you inject 100 units of Botox or the equivalent, you know, we use Xeomin, but because it’s less allergenic, but anyway, 100 units of Botulism neurotoxin into the penis. What it does is it relaxes the vascular smooth muscle, artificially opens up the blood vessels and allows the penis to fill even in the flaccid state. So I have a lot of gay patients who you know this is important to and they love coming in every six months to get their penile Botox, because now, instead of being a grower, they’re a shower.

Kevin Anthony 21:26
Interesting. I always thought, you know, being a grower was more important than being a shower, but that’s just me.

Dr. Judson Brandeis 21:34
Well, this way you can be both.

Kevin Anthony 21:37
Okay. Are there? Are there any other common methods that we should address or talk about?

Dr. Judson Brandeis 21:43
You know, a lot of people used to use fat transfers. So they would do kind of a liposuction, take the fat, spin it down, isolate the fat cells, and then we inject them under the skin and above the erectile bodies. The problem is it gives you this kind of squishy feeling to the penis, which, you know, I don’t think a lot of folks are looking for.

Kevin Anthony 22:04
No, they’re not. And you know, one of the things that women say that they appreciate about, you know, a penis that’s working well is its firmness, its stiffness, yeah? So obviously you would not have if you had a squishy, sort of fatty penis.

Dr. Judson Brandeis 22:22
Yeah. The other thing is, you know, folks have used jelking or traction or suction traction devices for a long time. And, you know, there was a study about 20 years ago from a penile stretching device, I think, called the phallusan or the androperoni. I’m not sure which one showed that you could increase the length of the penis by almost an inch with that device. The problem is you had to wear it about eight hours a day for about six to nine months. That doesn’t sound and, you know, I mean, most folks, you know, like, if you’re a mailman, it’s probably not the right thing to wear around. You know, if you work at home, maybe you can do that. But you know, for most folks with most normal jobs, can’t, don’t really have the time to do that.

Kevin Anthony 23:11
So what do you think, since we’re talking about sort of stretching devices or suction devices, I know you mentioned penis pumps earlier, what is your opinion on those?

Dr. Judson Brandeis 23:21
I think there’s a lot of good reasons to use them. I put, you know, all my patients who are over about 65-70 years old that aren’t getting nighttime erections, that want to get erections or want to get their length back, I put them all on penis pumps, and I have them pump, you know, for two minutes, released two minutes released for about 10 or 15 minutes every day, because at night, when you’re young, you should be getting 30 to 60 minutes of erections every night. And if you’re not getting 30 to 60 minutes of erections every night, then there’s a problem.

Kevin Anthony 23:58
So you’re so basically you’re prescribing that to them to mimic the function that their bodies used to do that actually helps sort of stretch and maintain a healthy blood flow to the penis that they’re not getting anymore. Exactly.

Dr. Judson Brandeis 24:11
The other thing you can use it for is to artificially get an erection. So for my patients who say, have prostate cancer or prostate cancer surgery or a diabetic and they can’t get good erections anymore, and they don’t want to use try mix injections into the penis or get a penis implant. They can use the pump to pull venous blood into the penis and then put a ring around the base to keep that blood in, and they’re able to get an erection using that technique.

Kevin Anthony 24:42
Interesting, and are there any potential downsides to doing that?

Dr. Judson Brandeis 24:47
I mean, you shouldn’t leave the ring on for more than half an hour. The other thing is, to get a good Ridge erection, you need arterial blood flow pumping into the penis, right? And what you’re. Doing with the pump is you’re pulling venous blood in. So as soon as you release the pump or release the ring, the erection is going to go away immediately, because there’s no blood being pushed into the penis.

Kevin Anthony 25:15
Yeah, that’s, that’s interesting, right? Because I think a lot of people think, well, blood flow is blood flow, but that’s not necessarily the case.

Dr. Judson Brandeis 25:22
There’s inflow, and then there’s outflow, and then there’s backflow. And so the pump is using backflow, and normal erections are using inflow and blocking the outflow.

Kevin Anthony 25:34
That’s important to know, okay, so I think we did a pretty good job of covering the different methods that are out there. And when we talked about each one, we kind of already talked about the potential risks, which, you know, I think for almost everyone that we talked about are pretty high.

Dr. Judson Brandeis 25:52
Yeah, you don’t want to be that guy with a pig in a blanket penis, right?

Kevin Anthony 25:55
Well, you know, here’s the other thing too. And this is something because, you know, I get sent products all the time because of what I do, right? And like a lot of them, I look at, I’m like, you know, I have a perfectly normal penis. It functions perfectly well. It actually functions quite well for somebody my age. And I’m like, do I want to risk messing that up to test out some product that somebody sent me? Like, I don’t think so. So, unless they can guarantee me that it is perfectly safe and it’s not going to do any damage. I don’t I personally don’t want to take that risk. That’s why I think some of these procedures that we talked about are kind of crazy. It’s like, okay, you want to be a little bit more of a shower or whatever, but you’re taking a huge risk in potentially damaging your penis forever with some of these procedures.

Dr. Judson Brandeis 26:47
Yeah, I agree with you 100% you know that we take a Hippocratic Oath of first, do you know harm?

Kevin Anthony 26:54
Yeah, absolutely. Okay. So then obviously we have talked about all of those protocols and the risks of them, and, you know, the fact that I personally wouldn’t do them, then, of course, we need to contrast that with approaches that are better, such as your protocol, which I want to do next. But I think now’s a really good time to just take a quick pause for a second sponsor ad, and then we’ll jump into that.

Dr. Judson Brandeis 27:22
Well, yeah, we can build up suspense. That’s right. Come back and hear about how you can increase the length, girth, and function of your healthy penis.

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Dr. Judson Brandeis 27:36
No, your penis will always be inadequate.

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Okay, so we talked about all of the approaches that are out there, at least the most common ones. We talked about how they work, the potential downsides, and the risks of those. Now we want to talk about your protocol and how that is different. So you mentioned it a little bit so far. But, you know, take whatever time you need to really describe this protocol, how it works. You know, the benefits of it, if there are any potential risks, talk about those too.

Dr. Judson Brandeis 29:39
Yeah. So, you know, the impetus for doing this, because I really don’t care how long guys penises are, but the impetus for doing this was all these patients that were coming in that had problems from other treatment protocols. And so as a regenerative urologist and sexual medicine expert, I kind of said, well, is there a way? Way we can actually increase the length, girth, and function of a healthy gas penis without any risks. And you know, since I’ve done research at American Red Cross, I’ve done research at Harvard, I’ve done research at UCLA, so I have a pretty good background in research, I said, let’s let’s try. And so I created this protocol using a traction device developed by a friend of mine at the Mayo Clinic, called the restore X device, which has really, really good, strong data on guys with Perrone’s disease, which is a curvature of the penis.

So in those studies, using a combination of xyoflex and the restore X device, they increase the length of the penis 1.7 centimeters, which is, you know, about two-thirds of an inch, three-quarters of an inch. So that was my choice for lengthening. Now, the thing is, you don’t want to just lengthen the penis, because then you’ll have a pencil penis, right? So you want to increase girth as well. And so there’s a hand pump by Dr Joel Kaplan that has a pressure gage, because we need, as a research project, you need to kind of be a little bit more precise as to your instructions to the research subjects. And so we use the DR Joel Kaplan hand penis pump. And then we wanted to accelerate the growth of that tissue, right? And so we used PRP. So PRP is platelet-rich plasma. So the platelets in your body have two functions. One function, everybody knows, right? Platelets cause clots, but the other function, very few people know. But what is in platelets are growth factors, so not only do they cause a clot, but then they trigger the regrowth of tissue.

So it’s actually a perfect system, right? Because you go and you cut yourself, you cause some damage to tissue, you have some bleeding. The platelets come in, they cause a clot, but then they also release growth factors, which trigger local regrowth of tissue. And so what we use the platelets for is to accelerate the growth process that’s that’s created by the traction device and also the suction device. And then the final ingredient is my affirm nitric oxide booster. And what that is is a nitric oxide booster, which opens up blood vessels. Your body uses nitric oxide to create something called cyclic GMP. And cyclic GMP opens up blood vessels. And this is true, not just in the penis, but head to toe. And so it helps men get nighttime erections. Because when you’re on this protocol, the more and the better erections you get, the better and also it helps the growth factors and growing tissue get oxygen and nutrients and proteins and things that it needs to do to grow and remodel, Yeah. And so, yeah, so I put all those ingredients together in a protocol. I got Institutional Review Board approval, which is, you know, what you really need to get if you do a proper scientific study. I had it listed at clinical trials.gov which is the NIH website, and and we created a study.

Kevin Anthony 33:22
So just I kind of want to talk a little bit about some of the components of that program, just in case people aren’t familiar with it. So first of all, the PRP is something that has been used for all sorts of different things in the health field. So it’s not something that was developed specifically for this. It’s actually used in a lot of things like I had PRP done, I had broken a tooth and had to have an extraction done, and they needed a bone graft, and they did PRP and stuff that up there in the bone graft, in order to help that grow and heal faster. And it says, amazing how much faster a deep cavitation surgery like that will heal once you’ve had the PRP done. So the science behind that has been around and documented for for quite some time, absolutely.

And then it’s funny, you mentioned the DR Kaplan pump. So in your book, here you have a chapter written by Susan Bratton, who I’ve had on the show a couple of times, and I had her on the show again recently, a few weeks ago, and she was like, what? You don’t have one of these pumps? I’m sending you one right away. So she actually just sent me one of those the other day, and it’s one of the few things I have actually tried that people send me because, like I said, most of the time I’m not willing to test on my own penis. But yeah, that actually worked perfectly fine. So anyway, to talk about the protocol, i. Like the fact that basically, what you’re doing is you are using a traction device to stretch right. You are also using the pump to increase blood flow, along with the nitric oxide supplement to increase blood flow, and then the PRP, you know, obviously, if you’re, if you’re stretching right, you might be potential, it’s kind of like when we weight train right, we weight train and we get micro tears in the muscles, and then we rebuild them, and then we get big muscles right. So you’re using the PRP to help that part of the process.

Dr. Judson Brandeis 35:38
Absolutely, you’re, you’re right on the money. And the nice thing is, I designed it for a normal guy, not someone who can put a stretching device on for eight to 10 hours a day, but the stretching protocol is 20 minutes of the restore X in the morning and the evening, and then 12 minutes of the penis pump in the morning and the evening. So really, like 35 minutes of traction and suction in the morning, 35 minutes in the evening. And that, you know, that’s doable for most folks who are motivated, to want a bigger penis, yeah.

Kevin Anthony 36:14
And how long would they have to do that protocol for?

Dr. Judson Brandeis 36:18
So the research protocol was six months, right? So in research, you want to go long enough that you’re able to show statistical significance to be able to show that it’s not a coincidence that this happened, but actually, there’s, you know, there’s a 99% chance that this didn’t happen just by chance, and we reached that milestone. Now, the thing is, I had guys that were participating in the study that said, Well, you know, I went from five to six, but I’d like to go to six and a half or seven, and so they continued to stretch and to use traction and to take the affirm and to come in for PRP, and they’ve been able to achieve those gains. So, you know, it’s not like all of a sudden at six months, you magically stop growing. If you’re happy at six months, you can stop and as long as you’re getting adequate erections at night, you should be able to maintain those gains. And if you want to continue growing, then guys will continue to come in to get additional PRP injections and traction, and suction.

Kevin Anthony 37:27
Well, so that, of course, was my next question, how long does this last? Right? So you’ve done this for six months, let’s say you’ve grown however, you know, much an inch, half an inch, whatever, and you’re like, Okay, I feel happy now. Like, is that just You’re good,

Dr. Judson Brandeis 37:43
I mean, as long as you’re getting good nighttime erections. It’s interesting. I did another study on the affirm supplement. It’s a really, really fascinating study. There’s a device out there called the firm tech ring. I don’t know if you know about this, but I had him on the show, actually, yeah, and so he and I created this study looking at whether a firm improves nighttime erections. So, you know, a firm has citrulline and nitrates, which nitrates turn into nitrates turn into nitric oxide, and 50% of the nitric oxide that you get in your body comes from nitrates, and 50% comes from the citrulline arginine cycle, right? So and so then you make nitric oxide. And as you get older, the amount of nitric oxide that your body makes for you declines. And a lot of nitric oxide you get from diet, from beets, from watermelon, from green leafy vegetables and from other foods.

And so there are a couple of studies out there looking at citrulline, but the outcome measure that they use what’s called erectile hardness score, EHS, and basically it’s a questionnaire where they ask guys to rate your erections on a scale of one to four. Like, that’s not really an objective, solid rating score. And so I said, Well, there’s got to be a better way. And so I connected with Elliot Justin, who’s the head of firmtech. And firmtech measures basically blood flow or penis pressure at night and so and then I worked with their statistician to create a metric called area under the curve per hour, right? Because they were before they were looking at how high the peaks were and how many of the peaks you got. And I said, well, let’s just look at the area under the curve, and then how many hours you were sleeping, and then create a single metric of the area under the curve per hour. And so what we found, and I’m presenting this in October at the Sexual Medicine Society of North America meeting. So I don’t know how much I’m allowed to talk about this, but basically, what we found is that in. Men who were taking firm to affirm tablets before they went to sleep, improved the area under the curve per hour of erectile function.

Kevin Anthony 40:10
30% wow that’s impressive.

Dr. Judson Brandeis 40:12
Just pretty remarkable. 30% you know? And that’s a purely objective measurement, right? So it’s not like, well, like, I had this one guy told me, he goes, Oh, Doc, it was like 100 bucks down the drain. I said, look like, Joe, what do you mean? He’s like, Well, took my wife out for dinner. I got a really nice bottle of wine, I loaded up on Viagra, and then I said One stupid ass thing, and it was 100 bucks down the drain, right? So nighttime erections, they don’t care about what stupid things you say to your wife, it’s what happens when you go to sleep. And it’s pure physiology. And so that was the amazing thing, is that we were able to show that just taking the affirmed nitric oxide booster, you were able to improve nighttime erections by 30% and I was actually really surprised how much erectile activity occurs at night. You know it’s anywhere from 30 to 90 minutes of erections every night. So if you’re getting 60 to 90 minutes of erections every night, stretching your penis to its fullest extent, you know that’s going to be enough to maintain the gains that you get from the P-long protocol.

Kevin Anthony 41:28
Yeah, that, you know, a lot of people don’t realize how important those nighttime erections are and how they can be a sign of greater health challenges. So yeah, if you are not having those frequent and regular and strong nighttime erections. The first thing go see your regular doctor and make sure you’re healthy. The second thing is, yeah, for your penis health, you need to find ways to achieve those again, it sounds like you’ve got some good research there showing that the firm will actually improve.

Dr. Judson Brandeis 41:59
You want to hear something really cool, yeah. So we’re doing a follow-up study on that called the Confirm to study, right? So the way I’m going to throw a little biochemistry at you and your in your audience. So nitric oxide creates cyclic GMP, and cyclic GMP creates a cascade to open up blood vessels, right? And so that’s what we were taking advantage of in the Confirm one. Okay. But then there’s this class of medication called the PDE five inhibitors, like Viagra, Cialis, and Levitra. And what they do is they block an enzyme called PDE five, and PDE five is only found in the penis, which is why it’s so effective for creating erections. But what it does is it breaks down cyclic GMP. So theoretically, if you’re making more cGMP by boosting nitric oxide, and you’re preventing the breakdown of cGMP by blocking the PDE five enzyme, then you’re driving up the amount of cGMP, and you’re opening up blood vessels more. So theoretically, there should be a synergistic effect between those two. Now there’s only one paper that’s ever been written that also used what’s called the EHS, the erectile hardener score, and the shim score, which is a five-question questionnaire about erectile function, but these are very subjective measures, and the firm Tech is objective.

So I actually did this study on myself first, and now we’re enrolling patients in the study, but what I did is I took 40 milligrams of Viagra before I went to sleep for two nights, measured my erections and then took 40 milligrams of Viagra and two affirm tablets for two nights. And it was dramatic how much better my erectile function at night was when I was sleeping with the combination of Affirm and 40 milligrams of Viagra. And so now we’re enrolling patients in that study. And I think that this is a really, really important study because men get side effects from PD, five inhibitors. They get reflux, they get a congested nose, they get headaches, they get facial flushing, they get reflux, and sometimes they get muscular pains. And so a lot of men can’t take the dose of PD five inhibitors high enough to help their erectile activity get to the right place. And so if you can take something like a nitric oxide booster that’s synergistic with a PD five inhibitor, then you don’t have to take a dose of those medications that’s that high. And so you save yourself the side effects, but you continue the efficacy, because there are really no negative side effects of a nitric oxide booster.

Kevin Anthony 44:57
Yeah, that is, that is actually really. Interesting. The way that you can, you know, if you, if you need the help of a medication, the way that you can take a lower dose of that by supporting it with something else that works synergistically, that doesn’t have side effects, that’s actually really great.

Dr. Judson Brandeis 45:15
I might have that here, actually, I have the, I have the curves, if you can, let’s see, can you see that? Yes, all right. So you can see nitric oxide makes the cGMP and PD, five breaks down the cyclic GMP, so you can kind of see what that synergy is. Now let’s see this is what the curves look like when you get the nighttime erections, right? So those show two nighttime erections, and then when the first night that I took the combination, I had 123456, erections. And then the second night I did it, I had 123, really good erections. So you can see, I mean, it’s pretty dramatic, the difference between the two when you take the combination.

Kevin Anthony 46:22
I want to say that you know, the sign of someone who really believes in what he’s doing is the person who experiments on himself. You know, because this is one of the things they say, right? Like, you know, when you’re talking about being a leader or something, like, never ask your people to do things you wouldn’t do yourself. Well, here you are, you know, testing it on yourself.

Dr. Judson Brandeis 46:45
I mean, the thing is, like, I don’t want to, I don’t want to go down a rabbit hole if it’s not going to work. You know, I have better things to do with my time. So, you know, if I test something on myself and it works, and the other thing is, you become much more of a passionate advocate if you actually know in your in your heart and soul that it actually works. I mean, that was the nice thing about P long, is that I did the injections on all 30 patients in the study, and each one of them had six injections. So I did 180 injections. So I got to talk to all these people 180 times, and if, if they were having side effects, or they were having negative effects, or they were unhappy, I would have heard about it. And, you know, my reputation and the things that I do with my time are to the point where I don’t need to do things, you know, just for money or just for fame or, you know, whatever, like I need to do things that, that work, my reputation is the most important thing that I have, and to do things that, that to misrepresent things that’s just not in my cards.

Kevin Anthony 47:53
Yeah, well, like I said at the beginning of the show, when I read your book, I was pretty impressed with, you know, how you presented the material in there, and I thought it was fair and balanced. And I think that your approach today so far has been fair and balanced too. So I really appreciate that, and that’s why I like having you on the show. I don’t want somebody to come over here and just, you know, spew a bunch of BS and mislead My audience, either. So All right, so anything else that you want to share about your protocol that you know maybe listeners might need to know. I mean, I think we did a pretty good job.

Dr. Judson Brandeis 48:27
But, yeah. I mean, I think the nice thing is that there are, there’s a network of about 50 or 60 providers around the country that can provide P long. So if you go to P dash long.com, and then put in your zip code, it’ll refer you to a local P long provider. So you don’t have to fly out to Northern California, although Northern California’s really nice, but, but, you know, you don’t have to fly out here six times to get PRP injections.

Kevin Anthony 48:57
Awesome. Well, that’s great. So we have just a couple of minutes left. I’m wondering if there’s anything else. Because, you know, we started, obviously talking about penis enlargement, but we also got into some other things too, about just general penile health type stuff. Any last things that you want to share with the audience?

Dr. Judson Brandeis 49:16
Well, you know, I in 10 seconds, I can improve Men’s Health for about 95% of men.

Kevin Anthony 49:25
All right, let’s do it!

Dr. Judson Brandeis 49:27
Don’t drink alcohol, don’t smoke, don’t do drugs, don’t eat too much exercise every day, meditate, stretch, get good sleep. Be nice to other people.

Kevin Anthony 49:41
There you go, there you go. That literally, is the prescription. You know, it’s funny you say that, because that’s basically my life right there, right like, that’s how I live my life. What you just described. I’m 50 years old, and I’ve heard many times how amazed people are at the way my sexual function works for somebody my age, right? And it’s just like, yeah, because I do all those things.

Dr. Judson Brandeis 50:07
I mean, it’s simple to say. It’s not quite as easy to do. We all have stress in our lives, and we all try to take shortcuts and all that kind of stuff. But, you know, the tried and true stuff is the tried and true stuff. And it’s like, it’s amazing. I had this patient fly in from Florida one time to see me, and he was asking me about all these peptides, and, you know, all these advanced stuff that cost a lot of money. And I just looked at him, and I said, Dude, you need to exercise and lose 50 pounds before you consider all these peptides and all this other expensive, fancy stuff, I mean, there’s just some basic stuff that you need to do, and that’s the problem is, sometimes it’s hard to do those kind of things, but for the most part, we all know what to do.

Kevin Anthony 50:58
Well, the sign of a good doctor is he starts there, right? So, if he’s your doctor, starts there and tells you this is what you need to be doing first. You know, you found a good one. So I think that’s fantastic advice, and I appreciate you sharing it with the audience.

Dr. Judson Brandeis 51:13
I mean, that’s basically what’s, what’s in the 21st century, man is, you know that, plus the details lots of I tell, you know, I use this thing called Blinkist, which like, because I can’t stand reading a 300-page book, and I’m like, You know what? You could summarize that in about four minutes. So Blink is like a 15-minute summary of a 300-page book, and my audiobook was, I think, 35 hours. And if you made a blink of my book, I think it would be about 35 hours.

Kevin Anthony 51:50
That’s right, no shortcuts on that one. Yeah, you know, I mean, it’s a big book. You can see it’s thick. There’s a lot of stuff in there. I just being the nerd that I am, literally read it from cover to cover. But, you know, for a lot of guys, you could just like, here’s the topic or the chapter I want to know about, and you can just kind of bounce back and forth.

Dr. Judson Brandeis 52:11
I mean, that’s what I suggest, is that people just pick and choose. And the other thing is, like, I mean, you can tell me or the audience, but the information density in each chapter is insane, like it’s there’s no fluff in the book, because that’s just the way I write. And there’s no fluff.

Kevin Anthony 52:28
Well, that’s something actually really appreciated. Appreciated about it also is, you know, how many times I read a lot of books, right? And how many times have you read a book where, yeah, they pretty much could have summarized the whole thing in the first three chapters, but the rest of the book is just reiterating and saying the same thing in different ways and trying to draw it into your head that is definitely not this book. This book is to the point, and then on to the next subject and to the point, and so on. So, yeah, I actually appreciated that. Awesome. All right. Well, I think we did a really good job in this episode of explaining to men what options are out there, and the potential challenges, and I think we’ve also offered them something better than what they see pretty much everywhere else. So I hope a lot of men listen to this. I hope it prevents them from going down the wrong path, and then offers them solutions if they feel that they need them, that that will not do any more harm. So I think that’s great. I want to thank you for coming on the show and sharing your expertise.

Dr. Judson Brandeis 53:32
Hey, my pleasure. Thanks for having me on. I always love being on your show.

Kevin Anthony 53:36
Well, I always like having you on. So if there’s something else in the future that you want to share, that you think my audience hasn’t heard about you. Let me know. We’ll have you on again. Of course, we will have links to your website and to P-long. So you mentioned the P-long link. Is there another link you’d like people to go?

Dr. Judson Brandeis 53:56
Yeah, you know, if you’re interested in the affirm supplement, just go to affirmscience.com A, f, f, I, R, M, and if you want to see me as a patient, just go to Brandeismd.com, b, r, a, n, d, e, i, s, m, d.com, and if you’re interested in the 21st-century man book, go to https://thetwentyfirstcenturyman.com/, and you can order a book there.

Kevin Anthony 54:20
All right. All those links will be in the description. Thank you again. All right, everybody that’s all the time I have for this episode, and I will see you next week.

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