The Modern Disaster Of Men’s Sexual Health & How To Fix It With Dr Judson Brandeis

Kevin Anthony 0:11
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Céline Remy 0:20
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Kevin Anthony 0:27
Alright, welcome back to the Love Lab podcast. This is episode 186. And it’s titled The modern disaster of men’s sexual health and how to fix it with Dr. Judson Brandeis. Okay, we have quite the show for you today. So, man or woman, I think you should both be listening to this because ladies, even though we’re going to be talking about a lot of men’s health issues here, it would be really good for you to understand what’s going on with your man.

Kevin Anthony 0:55
So you can help him support him, guide him in the right direction, do all those things that you women do. And men who are listening, trust me, you’re going to learn stuff, I guarantee it, you’re going to be introduced to new technologies and new treatments that you didn’t even know were available. I guarantee that because some of this stuff was new to us.

Kevin Anthony 1:15
And we do this every day. So this is gonna be jam-packed. We got a lot of questions, we’re going to get through as much of it as we can possibly do in one podcast episode. Is everybody ready?

Céline Remy 1:26
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Céline Remy 1:41
Whether you want to have harder erections last longer or increase your sexual skills. There is something for you at power and mastery.com. Of course, there is also something for you in today’s episode because our guest today is Dr. Judson Brandeis, he is an award-winning urologist and sexual medic medicine expert, clinical researcher, physician educator, and a caring clinician and surgeon so basically, he’s got a lot under his belt. Haha, wink. I don’t think you’ve ever had that by

Dr. Judson Brandeis 2:17
the best introduction I think I’ve ever had.

Céline Remy 2:21
You know this, there’s more to it. Judson is a graduate of Brown University and Vanderbilt University School of Medicine. And one of the things that I love is that Dr. Brandeis is dedicated to helping his patients and men everywhere feel great, look good and have better physical intimacy. So it’s not just about sex. It’s also about all the things that make you a great man. So welcome Jetson to the Love Lab podcast.

Dr. Judson Brandeis 2:49
Thank you so much for having me on. It’s really a pleasure to be here. Yeah.

Kevin Anthony 2:54
All right, we’re gonna dive right in. Now, we heard the bio. So we heard some of that stuff. But I always like when we have somebody with your credentials and your background on the show, I always like for you to just tell the audience a little bit more about you so they can really understand where you’re coming from when we get into some of these issues. Now.

Kevin Anthony 3:14
I understand that you didn’t always start specializing and then sexual health. So as you tell us a little bit about your background, tell us sort of how you became interested in that field and how you ended up being, you know, someone who really specializes in that area.

Dr. Judson Brandeis 3:27
Yeah, it’s one of those things that come together over time. So I started out as a history major at Brown University but always knew that I wanted to be a doctor. And then I did the research for a year at American Red Cross under Harold T. Merryman, the guy that figured out how to freeze the blood. So think about how many people he’s saved. And then I went off to Vanderbilt for medical school, which was a fantastic place to train, and then to Harvard for a Howard Hughes Research Institute, research fellowship, and then to UCLA where I learned surgery and urology.

Dr. Judson Brandeis 4:02
Then into private practice in Northern California, where I helped pioneer surgical robotics built Kidney Stone Center, pioneered MRI guided prostate biopsies. And then about two or three years ago, I became really interested in regenerative urology, so, you know, men, at a certain point lose their ability to get an erection when I was at UCLA, they, they discovered the mechanism of action behind how Viagra works and how nitric oxide boosts circulation and one of my professors won the Nobel Prize for that.

Dr. Judson Brandeis 4:35
So I was always kind of interested in that. But the regenerative technologies of low-intensity shockwave therapy and platelet-rich plasma and stem cells were just really fascinating to me and to be able to help a man regain potency. It’s just it’s amazing.

Dr. Judson Brandeis 4:52
When these guys come back after you treat them and have these amazing stories about how they made love to their wives for the first time and five or six years or, you know, some of my patients are widowed, you know, I haven’t had, I haven’t been intimate with a woman in 10 or 15 years.

Dr. Judson Brandeis 5:09
It’s just like, you know, that glow that 16-year-olds get, you know, the first time they kiss a girl. So it’s, it was just to me, it was just a magical thing to be able to help men get that part of their life back.

Kevin Anthony 5:21
Yeah. So as we go through this, you have already mentioned a few of the things that we’re going to be talking about. So as we go through this episode, I just want listeners to understand like, you heard that background, this is somebody who’s been on or involved in the cutting edge for a long time. So you’re gonna get some really fantastic information here.

Céline Remy 5:40
Yeah. And we’ll come back to some of these technologies because I’m just fascinated about this. But before that, in your book, he mentioned and I know, in the pre-interview, you were mentioning that men sexual health is basically a catastrophe at this point in life, and so could you give us maybe some stats or different ideas about what’s really going on with men these days? And maybe that will help our listeners feel less alone in what’s going on for them?

Dr. Judson Brandeis 6:12
Yeah, absolutely. So 100 years ago, women lived one year longer than men. In the United States. Now, women live five years longer than men. So you know what happened in those 100 years. And longevity for Caucasian men is actually declining because of suicide, alcoholism, and opioids. And that was even before COVID, who knows what, you know, what really happened during COVID, and men are half as likely to go to the doctor as women are.

Dr. Judson Brandeis 6:45
So even though men are living less long, our longevity is declining. We’re not reaching out for help. So 40% of men are obese. 50% of men have high blood pressure 15% of men smoke 12% of men don’t even have health insurance. So how are we going to improve our health? When some of these basic things we’re not doing? Yeah, that’s really the catastrophe.

Céline Remy 7:14
When you mentioned, all of these health issues obviously tend to translate to poor circulation, which leads to their penises not functioning properly. So erection issues and probably also like prostate issues, so many different things in I’ve been in this field for over a decade. And something that I found fascinating is when I started working with men, I mostly had older gentlemen who came to visit me who had issues with erections and, and things like that, nowadays, my clientele is so much younger.

Céline Remy 7:47
I have clients that are like, even younger than me, they’re in their 20s. And I’m like, they already have erection issues. I have witnessed that. It’s like getting younger and younger men are experiencing things that were considered to be like older men’s issues. Have you seen that too, in your practice?

Dr. Judson Brandeis 8:06
Absolutely. Absolutely. You know, people that are overweight, right are sedentary. So that just there are a couple of things that come with that, first of all, it poor food choice, right? So foods that are going to clog your arteries affect your circulation. Second of all, if you’re sedentary, your body’s not going to make as much testosterone. Right, so a hunter has always had higher testosterone than farmers because if you’re going to be out in the plains, taking down a buffalo, you’re going to need a lot of testosterone.

Dr. Judson Brandeis 8:37
But if you’re going to be on the farm, just planting seeds and harvesting seeds, not that farming is not physically active but you know, the juxtaposition, of hunting and farming is pretty dramatic. You know you don’t need as much testosterone, your body is really smart, it doesn’t make stuff that you don’t need. So if you don’t need high levels of testosterone, it’s not going to make high levels of testosterone. Right.

Dr. Judson Brandeis 9:01
So if you’re sitting in front of a computer all day, and then you’re playing video games for fun, and you’re eating bad food, you’re not going to produce a lot of testosterone, which is going to not create much libido. And then if you’re obese, get what gets what happens in fat. Fat aromatize is testosterone into estrogen, so it affects the balance of testosterone and estrogen.

Dr. Judson Brandeis 9:25
So a lot of guys think, Well, I only have testosterone, but no, both men and women have testosterone and estrogen. In fact, if you look at the chemical structure of testosterone and estrogen, the only difference is a single hydrogen molecule atom. The smallest unit of matter is the difference between the male hormone and the female hormone. So, in fact, testosterone gets converted to estrogen.

Dr. Judson Brandeis 9:51
That’s why when you’re fat, you get these Manboobs. Right, so that’s why that’s one of the multitudes of reasons why men are getting erectile dysfunction earlier and earlier. You’re exactly right.

Kevin Anthony 10:04
Yeah, and I really love how you bring in the lifestyle component. Because a lot of the things that men just used to do as naturally being part of men, we don’t do anymore in society. And so like you said, our bodies are responding and not producing the testosterone. So this is I mean if you’ve listened to the show at all, anybody who’s listening, you know that I know, I’m big into martial arts and downhill mountain biking, rock climbing, like all this kind of stuff.

Kevin Anthony 10:32
And one of the problems I’ve always seen is that men don’t do that kind of stuff anymore. As you said, They’re literally sitting around playing video games all day. And I just want the listeners who are listening, like if that’s you, okay, I’m not judging you for that.

Kevin Anthony 10:47
But understand how that is affecting your physical body and your health, not just because you put on a few extra pounds that eventually one of these days, you’re going to get back into the gym and lose those. But it has much further reaching implications than just that.

Kevin Anthony 11:04
One of the things that I really appreciated about the book, which we’ll talk about more, as we go, I’ll hold it up here 21st-century man, one of the things that I really appreciated about it is that it does bring in the lifestyle stuff, it does bring in diet, it brings in exercise, it brings in mental health brings in all of these types of things that in the past, we really couldn’t get from mainstream medical, like, I remember when I was in my 20s, I suffered from respiratory infections, my whole childhood.

Kevin Anthony 11:36
And I finally on my own, realized that I had a food allergy. And once I stopped eating dairy, they just disappeared. But at that point in time, medical science was still saying, There’s no such thing as a food allergy. That’s impossible, that can’t possibly be your problem. You just have asthma, take your steroid inhaler, and everything will be fine, right. And I just love that. Finally, finally, we have something here like this that incorporates all of that stuff together, because it’s not isolated.

Dr. Judson Brandeis 12:08
Though it’s, you know, it’s all connected. And erectile dysfunction really is highly connected. That’s really why the book is 101 chapters and 900 pages, is because I started with erectile dysfunction in men over 50. But really, there are so many things that can affect your ability to get an erection. For example, I had a patient the other day, 34 years old, and he came in with erectile dysfunction.

Dr. Judson Brandeis 12:36
And so we were talking and my, my input time that I spend with a patient is about an hour. Because I really, really get to know my patients inside and out. And things didn’t quite make sense. And so, so well, how are you sleeping? Because all you know, I got really bad sleep apnea. So Well, that’s the reason. Because at night, when you’re asleep, you should be getting 30 to 60 minutes of erections. And if you don’t enter REM sleep, then you’re not getting nighttime erections.

Dr. Judson Brandeis 13:10
Your penis isn’t getting exercise, and you’re going to get erectile dysfunction. And so I told him, I said, Listen, I’m not going to do anything for you till you get a sleep evaluation. I sent them to Mike Murphy, who wrote the sleep chapter in the book, he’s a professor at Stanford, you know, everyone that wrote chapters in the book, their credentials are just will blow you away.

Dr. Judson Brandeis 13:32
You know, they train at the top institutions in this country, you know, this not? I wanted to create a book, that the quality of the medical information was just absolutely first-rate. But at the same time, this book doesn’t shame you. It doesn’t judge you. I understand. Because I see 1000s and 1000s of minutes patients, you can’t tell a man what to do. You can’t I mean, if you tell a guy what to do, he’s just gonna be like, Screw you, I’ll do whatever the hell I want to do.

Dr. Judson Brandeis 14:09
You have to provide information, really good information from good sources to men. And men will make good decisions based on good information. And that’s really what the, for example, I had a patient 57-year-olds, all the guys had dentist, right? And he’s been smoking all his life. He knows better. He’s tried to quit smoking a couple of times.

Dr. Judson Brandeis 14:35
And so you were talking and he has erectile dysfunction because of cardiovascular disease because of smoking. But I told him, I said, Listen, you’re going to lose 13 years of your life expectancy. If you smoke is the guy Yeah, I know that. I said, Okay, do me a favor, as I’m whatever you want to do. I don’t care. But just do one thing for me.

Dr. Judson Brandeis 14:56
Write down on a piece of paper. 13 years later. have lived life last and tape it on your daughter’s door. So that every time you walk into your daughter’s room, you’ll be reminded that you’re going to lose 13 years of life, you know, knowing her with her who, and you know what that’s about a month later, he came back not smoking.

Céline Remy 15:20
Finding the proper motivation,

Dr. Judson Brandeis 15:22
I didn’t tell him to stop smoking, I just told him to put a little sign up on his daughter’s door that’s going to educate him and remind him of the consequences of his decision. And then he made the right choice

Kevin Anthony 15:36
you just saved in probably a decade of therapy.

Céline Remy 15:41
So there was a great piece of advice for all the women listening, right? You cannot tell your man what to do. But you can inspire him and provide him information to motivate him that’s

Dr. Judson Brandeis 15:54
just buy the book. You know, it’s so funny in my office, right? Because I have I only see men but sometimes I’ll have spouses that come in with their husbands, and you know, the husband or go into a room to do treatment or whatever. And the wife will come up to me and she’ll kind of whisper it.

Dr. Judson Brandeis 16:11
She’s like, you know what, thank you so much. I’ve been telling him this for so many years. And for some reason, he listens to you. And I don’t care whether he listens to me, or he listens to you, as long as he listens to someone and learns how to take care of himself. That’s all that matters.

Kevin Anthony 16:30
Yeah, you know, we actually get a lot of that in the work that we do, too. Because there’s this thing with spouses where like, sometimes you just cannot hear what they’re telling you. Yeah, of course, for a whole bunch of reasons. So having somebody third party that they can trust to say the same thing means a lot. Okay,

Céline Remy 16:47
I want to dive into Edie. Yes, then treatments, because we’ve started some of that. And, you know, obviously, honestly, this show is only gonna be 45 minutes short. And there’s so much more to get the book because you’ll get so much more information. But I’m super fascinated about some of the treatments in regards to ED, erection difficulties, or dysfunctions really for men.

Céline Remy 17:13
And one particular may be that we can start with is the Gaines wave. I don’t know if you say therapy or procedure, whatever, right. Tell us more about how it works. And the potential for helping men with that.

Kevin Anthony 17:32
And I want to add to that, also, why it’s different than you know, because most men if you ask them until you know what treatments are available, they’re just gonna say how it’s different from that.

Dr. Judson Brandeis 17:45
Yeah, you know, if you don’t mind, I’ll kind of pull back and give you sort of an algorithm and an overall, my overall kind of thoughts on erectile dysfunction, which is a circulatory issue. And a really, really important thing. If you don’t get anything from this podcast today. The most important thing to understand is once you get erectile dysfunction, the clock is ticking.

Dr. Judson Brandeis 18:11
Because it’s 10 years, five to 10 years before, you’re going to develop major cardiovascular disease, whether it’s a heart attack, a stent, or angioplasty or a stroke, or whatever. So that’s God’s way of warning you that your circulation is getting clogged because the arteries to the penis are one or two millimeters in size. The arteries to the heart are three to four millimeters in size, so guess what’s going to get clogged first, of course, the arteries to the penis. S

Dr. Judson Brandeis 18:40
o, once that happens, if you don’t make lifestyle changes, eat better, exercise more, stop smoking, stop drinking so much, etc, etc. You’re going to look at much, much bigger problems down the road. So that’s problem number one. Now

Kevin Anthony 19:01
God is smart because he knew that the way to get to a man was through his penis.

Dr. Judson Brandeis 19:08
Exactly, well, you know, cars mixed, right because he did put a waistline through a recreational area. Okay, so in order to get an erection, there’s a signal and there are pipes. Okay. The signal comes from a molecule called nitric oxide. And all of your body’s circulation is dependent on nitric oxide. And as you get older, just like your testosterone goes down, your IGF one goes down, your human growth hormone goes down, guess what?

Dr. Judson Brandeis 19:43
Your endogenous production of nitric oxide goes down. So by the age of 50, most men have 50% of the nitric oxide that they had when they were younger. And that means you have less circulation. And that affects you athletically that affects you cognitively, that affects your blood pressure. And it affects erectile dysfunction. Right? So I have a supplement called Affirm, which is available at affirmscience.com that boosts nitric oxide. And there are two pathways.

Dr. Judson Brandeis 20:14
There’s the citrulline pathway. And the nitrate pathway. The citrulline is watermelon. And nitrate is beets. So any article that you read on foods for erectile dysfunction, tells you to eat watermelon, eat beets. You know, for something like Affirm, you’d have to eat four pounds of fresh watermelon and like two pounds of beets, or you can just take a couple of tablets. But in any case, you need nitric oxide. Right? Nitric oxide creates something called cGMP.

Dr. Judson Brandeis 20:45
Right, and you don’t need to know what cGMP is other than cGMP leads to a cascade of events that opens up blood vessels. Now there’s an enzyme that’s only in the penis, called the PDE five and PDE five breaks down cGMP to reduce cGMP. So it closes blood vessels. So if you take a PDE five inhibitor, like Viagra, Cialis, Levitra, then you block PD five, and you keep more cGMP. And so you keep more signals to keep blood vessels open.

Dr. Judson Brandeis 21:22
Okay, so the first two things in my algorithm are boosted nitric oxide. And the great thing about it is there are overall health effects of boosting nitric oxide and inhibiting PD five and I put a lot of my patients on something called Tadalafil which is generic Cialis. In my office, it’s a buck a pill, you can take it before you go to sleep, and you maintain or improve nighttime erections. Because you should be getting 30 to 60 minutes of erections every night.

Dr. Judson Brandeis 21:54
Otherwise, your penis isn’t getting enough blood flow. So that inner tissue is going to become fibrotic. And you don’t stretch the penis as much. So you’re like my 60 and 78-year-old guys coming into the office saying, My penis is shorter than it used to be. And guess what? Nobody likes a short piece. I mean, you guys are experts. You’ve heard it all. In my, in my 25 years of your being a urologist, no one has ever come in and said, Listen, I would like my penile reduction surgery now.

Kevin Anthony 22:27
Exactly. And no woman has ever said I would prefer a short penis. Usually, women will say things like, I don’t have a problem with it. I’m okay with it. But nobody ever says that’s what I want. Yeah.

Dr. Judson Brandeis 22:42
Okay, so we have the signal, which is nitric oxide. And a great first step is to boost nitric oxide, you know, 30 and 40-year-olds that have. So you should be getting more morning erections or erections every night if you begin to lose nighttime erections. The super easy thing to do is to start taking a couple of firm pills before you go to sleep.

Dr. Judson Brandeis 23:06
And I guarantee you, you’ll get better nighttime and morning erections. And it’s a super healthy way to do it. Okay. Now, the other part of it are the pipes. Okay? And this is where it gets really interesting. Because as we get older, we begin to clog our pipes, whether we’re smoking or not eating well, or, you know,

Céline Remy 23:27
we just living in California,

Dr. Judson Brandeis 23:29
we live in America, you know? Exactly, you know, who knows the effects of all these toxins and plastics and all that crap that’s in our environment these days. So, how can we improve the vascularity of the penis, okay, and there are really two amazing new technologies? One is called Gaines wave or low-intensity shockwave therapy or acoustic wave. There’s a ton of names for this.

Dr. Judson Brandeis 23:56
But basically what it is, is it uses high intensity, pulses of sound waves or shockwaves. I don’t want to get into the physics of it. But what that does is it shakes or vibrates a blood vessel. Right? And when that blood vessel shakes or vibrates, it thinks it’s being injured. And when it thinks it’s being injured, it generates an inflammatory response, right?

Dr. Judson Brandeis 24:25
When you get injured, you get an acute inflammation, not a chronic inflammation that everyone thinks is bad, but an acute inflammation. And part of that acute inflammation is a healing response. And part of that healing response is the activation of stem cells because we have stem cells all around our body and the release of growth factors. And stem cells that are activated plus growth factor or proper growth factor can result in what’s called Neil angiogenesis or the growth of new blood vessels. Stay with me

Kevin Anthony 25:00
Yeah, absolutely.

Céline Remy 25:02
Just taking it I’m like, This is amazing. And it’s very, very

Kevin Anthony 25:05
clear the way you explained it. I just wanted to give you enough space to complete right? You were saying

Dr. Judson Brandeis 25:10
you had I was I do want to make sure I wasn’t because sometimes I talk a lot of scientific stuff and nine people’s eyes glaze over. And

Kevin Anthony 25:17
so we, we are not doctors by any means. But we do have a pretty, pretty deep background in exactly where you should see our bookshelf and the stuff we replace. Excellent. I have actually when I got this book, I went straight to the chapters on sexual health. And I’ve already read all the chapters where you’re describing this. So I’m with you, I got it. Awesome.

Dr. Judson Brandeis 25:43
Now, the other really, really cool thing is the chapter written by Charles runnels, who invented what’s called the P shot or the Pripet shot. That’s okay, so I wanted to talk about Yeah so that the P shot is basically a platelet injection. So the platelets in our body do two things, everyone knows they do one thing, which is to cause clots, right, but the good Lord created this amazing system where the platelets go to form the clot.

Dr. Judson Brandeis 26:16
But then all of a sudden, they release growth factors. So they’re releasing growth factors exactly where you need it at the exact time that you need it. So Kevin, say you’re rock climbing and you fall a little bit and you cut yourself and you get some bleeding, right, and then the blood clots. But that tissue grows back pretty quickly, right? Especially really, you know, in comparison to the rest of the tissue, like how does that happen.

Dr. Judson Brandeis 26:43
And the reason it happens is that platelets have 141 different growth factors sitting inside a little, you know, little ball, right? And so, when platelets are activated, they put their arms out like a starfish grab onto other platelets form a clot. But when they do that, they release these things called Alpha granules, and inside Alpha, granules are all these growth factors.

Dr. Judson Brandeis 27:07
And so it accelerates healing. So what we do is we draw blood, we spin the blood down when you spin blood, the red blood cells are this heavy, because it’s got iron, and it goes to the bottom, the plasma, which is basically the water that your blood floats in goes to the top and in the middle, you have white blood cells and platelets, and you can draw out the platelets.

Dr. Judson Brandeis 27:29
And then you inject it, you know, so the O shot, you inject it into the clitoris, the vampire facelift, you can put it on your face, these are two things that Charles did. And then the other thing is you can inject it into the penis, which sounds excruciatingly painful, but I guarantee you, it’s not so bad. I’ve done it to myself 234 times, and I do it with my patients, and I have a technique and ultrasound-guided technique where patients don’t even wince.

Dr. Judson Brandeis 27:57
So, and that’s fine. That’s like putting

Dr. Judson Brandeis 27:59
fertilizer on, you know, growing little trees. So Shockwave, does is it stimulates stem cells. Right, so now you’re growing little plants and then PRP, you put it on to those little growing plants and it accelerates the growth of bass vascular tissue,

Kevin Anthony 28:20
you know, there’s a couple of things that I love about that particular type of technology, which is that basically what it’s doing is stimulating the body’s system to heal itself. And that, to me, that has always been the best kind of treatment rather than trying to put a bandage on something or do something artificial.

Kevin Anthony 28:39
The types of things that can stimulate your body to go, Oh, I better get in gear and fix this, I think are always the best and most lasting treatments. And that’s what I really appreciate about these types of technologies. Plus using

Céline Remy 28:52
your own blood really, and plasma and cells. So again, it’s like not something from the outside, it’s your own body that is helping itself, which I think is really amazing to can get more individualized. Let’s put it this way. Absolutely. And then if you if you’re interested about the process, like literally, I’ve seen it if you go on YouTube and type that you can see people like when they draw the blog, and they shake it like you can see the whole thing is fascinating if I mean if you’re like me, I love this guy. I have

Dr. Judson Brandeis 29:24
I have a YouTube channel, just Brandeis MD, and I have a whole playlist on PRP, I have a whole men’s sexual health curriculum. So I talk about you know, really most of the stuff that I have in the book and I’m going to I, I narrated some of the chapters I’m going to put those on the book on the YouTube channel and also on my on the website, which is the 21st-century man all written out in letters, and then on Brandeis md.com, which is my website. Awesome.

Céline Remy 29:55
So you can find all of that now.

Kevin Anthony 29:57
We’ve got a couple more things that I really Want to make sure that we talk about before we run out of time. The next one is about peroneus disease. And the reason why we really want to ask about this is one because I know that you’ve got some treatments that you can use for that. But to believe it or not, even though from what I understand, it’s technically not that common,

Céline Remy 30:16
it says in your book, I think it said 5% of men, that about one out of every 20 minutes,

Kevin Anthony 30:21
but what’s interesting about that is we have had multiple clients with that particular condition. And so I would love for you to talk a little bit about sort of what it is, why it forms and how you deal with it.

Céline Remy 30:34
And also, I’m going to add something to that, because I think some men self-diagnose themselves to Peyronie because they have a curve. But having a curve doesn’t particularly mean that you’ve got Peyronie’s disease, there are probably other things to look for. And I really want to know, does jerking off create peroneus disease? Is it if you do it with one hand versus the other hand or too, too harsh?

Kevin Anthony 30:57
These are all things that clients say I broke it because I was doing it wrong.

Dr. Judson Brandeis 31:03
Yeah, but Well, seriously, God bless you guys for actually being a resource for patients, because people have questions. And it’s not something that we’re typically taught a lot about. I mean, let’s be honest. You know, they’re pulling books off the shelf left and right. And, you know, there’s this like prude police, you know, that, that, that doesn’t, you know, as either afraid of people learning these things, or doesn’t want people learning these things.

Dr. Judson Brandeis 31:34
But you know, let’s be honest, you know, everyone’s interested in these things. And that’s the beauty of the 21st-century man is that I have the world experts, you know, talking about these things, you know, the Sex on the Beach chapter that I wrote, which is basically how things go right? And then erectile dysfunction explained, which is how things go wrong.

Dr. Judson Brandeis 31:54
And then chapter on orgasm, you know, but what is the orgasm, what’s premature orgasm, what’s delayed orgasm, and then an overall approach to erectile dysfunction. But then we have chapters written by like Ed Cartman is the best penile implant surgeon that I’ve ever worked with. He wrote a chapter on penile implant Charles runnels, where it’s an amazing chapter on PRP.

Dr. Judson Brandeis 32:16
Jeff Piccirillo, regenerative orthopedics, wrote an amazing chapter on stem cells the best if you’re interested in stem cells, if you’re thinking about having stem cells, this is the single best resource for you to understand what stem cells actually are, what is a mesenchymal stem cell what is where does it come from? We have dirt Bauer, who is started the Fun Factory is the best sex toy company in the world wrote the chapter on sex toys.

Dr. Judson Brandeis 32:44
We have million Pola from global protection that wrote the chapter on condoms we have information on lubes on try mix, I mean you name it on Gaines wave-like everything is there any and then the icing on the cake as Susan Bratton’s chapter on how to make love to a woman. I mean, just fantastic. So, you know, like it this is, to be the most common the most comprehensive approach and scientific approach to erectile function and sexual function and Peyronie is that I wrote the chapter on Peyroniel is disease is really a very devastating disease.

Dr. Judson Brandeis 33:25
For men. I mean, I’ve grown men cry in my office on a weekly basis because of Peyronie’s disease, because four out of five times guys don’t even know where it comes from, and it definitely does not come from mass masturbating. So, you know, don’t worry about it.

Kevin Anthony 33:42
Alright, Myth number one,

Dr. Judson Brandeis 33:43
but number one, you know, sometimes it comes from you know, traumatic intercourse, you know, a woman’s on top and comes out and then comes back down and, and

Céline Remy 33:56
ticks the hip hop in the wrong angle. And exactly,

Dr. Judson Brandeis 33:59
or, you know, if a guy’s from behind, and pulls out and yeah, so can be from traumatic intercourse or rough sex, it can be I think, sometimes just from guys getting an erection at night rolling over on it wrong. You know, you wake up, hurts a little bit, go back to sleep, and then six, seven weeks later, all of a sudden things start to curve. So four out of five men don’t know what happened to cause, okay, or you can have what’s called a Dupuytren’s Contracture, which is like a trigger finger, and that’s a problem with the collagen in the penis.

Dr. Judson Brandeis 34:33
So the number that most people throw around is about one out of every 20 Guys, one out of 10 will get better on its own. Okay, but nine out of 10 won’t. And the earlier you get to a properly trained neurologist, the better off your beat, you’ll be so the inner lining of the penis contains two erectile bodies called the corpora cavernosa and the lining of the corpus cavernosa is what’s called the tunica. And the tunicate is a vascular tissue because it fills up with blood.

Dr. Judson Brandeis 35:07
And so vascular tissues have to stretch. But the tunic has to be really strong too because if you fracture your penis, you can’t procreate. So, evolution has self-selected for people with strong Tunica. But if your tunicate doesn’t stretch, then you’ll have a short penis and you won’t be able to reach where you need to reach. Right. So. Now the issue is, if you traumatize the tunica and cause an injury, you get scar tissue.

Dr. Judson Brandeis 35:40
So the normal tunicate is collagen and elastin, elastin has that stretchiness. But scar tissue is basically just collagen and keratin so it doesn’t stretch. And so it’s strong, but it doesn’t stretch. And so because one side stretches and the other side doesn’t stretch, the penis will curve to the side with the scar tissue because it’s shorter than the other side. Okay, and so, this is a really difficult condition to treat. Okay, the earlier you get in the better and so really the treatments are XIAFLEX XIAFLEX is an FDA-approved injection from a company called endo that you inject into the plaque.

Dr. Judson Brandeis 36:29
It’s a collagenase. So it’s an enzyme that breaks down the peptide bonds between the strands of collagen and allows the penis to kind of reconfigure the collagen to make it more straight. Now, the downside of XIAFLEX one is it’s dreadfully expensive, so it’s $4,000 a shot and usually, men need eight shots, ah, four pairs of two. And while you’re using XIAFLEX, you can’t be physically intimate, right?

Dr. Judson Brandeis 36:58
You can’t have penetrative intercourse because there’s a risk that you’re causing a weakness in the tunica that you can fracture the penis and then make things worse. Right. So there are some downsides to abusing XIAFLEX. XIAFLEX will usually improve curvature by about 35%. Right? So not not not dramatic, not much, especially for you know, it’s like 1000 bucks a degree.

Kevin Anthony 37:23
Right. Okay.

Dr. Judson Brandeis 37:26
Another option is surgery. But I really, even though I used to do the surgery, I stopped doing it because nobody was ever happy. Because you would make guys’ penises straight, but they’d be shorter. And we’ve already established that people don’t like

Céline Remy 37:41
when you get surgery, there’s also a chance to build scar tissue again, especially if that’s how it is exactly taking an extra chance to have either thing go back to what they were or be worse.

Dr. Judson Brandeis 37:53
Exactly, but remind me after we talk about pay, Ronnie says I want to tell you about my penile enlargement clinical research that shows me that. Okay, all right. The other treatment option is what’s called shockwave therapy, okay, but it’s not the same shockwave therapy that you use for erectile dysfunction. Although on all the patients with Pieroni disease, I do the treatment for erectile dysfunction.

Dr. Judson Brandeis 38:20
But then we use a smaller tip probe and higher power to use mechanical waves to break up those peptide bonds. So with XIAFLEX, you’re using chemicals to burn enzymes to break up those peptide bonds. With shockwaves. You’re using mechanical waves to break it up. And then you have to use a penile traction device. And there’s one peanut traction device that really stands above all the other penile traction devices developed by the Mayo Clinic.

Dr. Judson Brandeis 38:52
It’s called the restorex device. Okay, and the data on that device is really amazing. So, in pepperonis patients, it will improve with the combination of XIAFLEX plus the restore x, you get an extra 15 degrees of improvement, and you get almost an inch of extra length, right because it’s pulling that scar tissue apart, pulling that collagen so anyone out there that’s getting treatment by their urologist for Peyronie’s disease, please make sure that you include the restore X device in that treatment because the date is much much better.

Céline Remy 39:33
Is it a vacuum-type device or is it type it’s a stretcher?

Dr. Judson Brandeis 39:40
It’s a stretcher. Okay, got the vacuum that doesn’t create as much pull. The vacuum is good for lateral pull, right for girth, but they’re not nearly as good for the length

Céline Remy 39:53
guarded. Sometimes you know when people come with some scar tissue, I will do some scar tissue remediation and we use castor oil and different techniques to manually stimulate it. I think it works to a certain degree if somebody is at the beginning of something that’s not too bad. What are your thoughts on like, what can you do on your own? Do you think it’s enough? Probably not. That’s my answer. But I’m curious about

Dr. Judson Brandeis 40:17
I’ve never heard of using castor oil there is something called them for Rappa mil, okay. And Verapamil gel, and I actually use for Atmel gel in, in the treatments that I do with the shockwave therapy and the restore X device. There’s another paper written using Emu Oil. But I’ve never actually, I was I asked them about including that in a clinical trial I was doing.

Dr. Judson Brandeis 40:49
So we’re still working on the details on that. So you know, anything that’s in the book, and anything that I personally do on any of my patients, I have to see that it’s been tested and that it’s been tested by legitimate people who have been presenting it at the Sexual Medicine Society meeting or written it up in peer-reviewed journals, right? There’s, especially with sexual medicine, let’s be honest, I mean, over the years, people are killing rhinoceroses for their for their

Kevin Anthony 41:19
pouring in shark fins, and shark fins.

Dr. Judson Brandeis 41:22
And you know, all this, I’m sorry, but it’s all this craziest stuff that people do. And people are so insecure about their sexuality and about their sexual potency, and how they measure up to other people. And they’re looking at pornography thinking, you know, I’m not as good as that guy. I mean, I don’t watch basketball and say, Geez, I should be as good as Michael Jordan.

Dr. Judson Brandeis 41:42
So I mean, let’s just be, you know, anyway, yeah. Just don’t use shark fins. Don’t kill rhinoceros. And really, please just use stuff that’s been researched that real doctors who go to school and research this stuff and think about it and write about it, just use that kind of stuff.

Kevin Anthony 42:06
So was there anything else on pronouns you wanted to add? Or are we good there? Because we got we got at least,

Dr. Judson Brandeis 42:12
you know, I mean, yeah, I mean, I can go on. So just tell me to stop and move on to some other?

Kevin Anthony 42:19
What do we do our ad? Yes, then we then we’re going to dive into the study.

Céline Remy 42:24
On the penile enhancements, we’ve all been waiting for that one. So it’s coming.

Dr. Judson Brandeis 42:29
Yeah, that’s a good teaser, like the Olympics, they put like the best person at the very least, you got to watch three hours, right? You want to see one skier, it was

Céline Remy 42:39
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Céline Remy 43:03
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Kevin Anthony 43:23
the topic everybody wants to know about. So this is I’m gonna, this is gonna be really interesting. We did an episode A while back called can you really enlarge your penis? And our general conclusion, because we talked about a lot of the usual things that people talk about that they try and they use. Our conclusion at the end of that was generally really not so much. Because all of the things that all our clients say that they do to make their penis longer.

Kevin Anthony 43:49
They never last. In other words, yeah, if they keep stretching it, you know, like one guy, one guy emailed us and he was like, I was like, No, it really does work. Trust me, I just do this. And then I do this. And then I do that. And I’m like, You’re spending an hour a day, giant stretch, and you even admitted in the email that he stopped for a while, and then he lost it.

Kevin Anthony 44:08
And then he had to go back to it. So to me, that’s not really sustainable, and not really something that works. And so that was sort of our general conclusion. But I know that you have been involved in a study and you have some interesting results that I would like you to share with our listeners.

Dr. Judson Brandeis 44:23
Yeah. So, you know, early disclosure. I really don’t care how long guys’ pieces are. I really, honestly, I really don’t. But I do care when guys do things that cause damage. And that was the genesis of the Pilon study is that I would see guys who got fat transfers or, or highly erotic acid injections, and they paid five or 10,000 bucks for it and it lasts for a year or two.

Dr. Judson Brandeis 44:57
then you get a lumpy bumpy penis or fat gives you this kind of squishy like playdough like the penis, or I would see guys that had surgeries like, like suspensory ligament ligations, which makes the penis hang lower, but it doesn’t improve the length of the penis, right, and then they get scar tissue.

Dr. Judson Brandeis 45:16
And so their penis is shorter endpoints down. Or there’s now something called the illest implant, which is like a silicone taco that you put under the skin over the shaft of the penis. But I’ve seen three guys who’ve had that taken out. It’s an expensive surgery. And I think ultimately people are going to be really unhappy, 510 1520 years down the road. And once it’s in, it’s in.

Dr. Judson Brandeis 45:42
And so, you know, knowing what I know about PRP, and about how to grow tissue. I decided to try to improve both the length and the girth and the function of the penis. And so I hooked up with Dr. Runnels, who’s the founder of the PRP in the Cellular Medicine Association. We were talking and I created a study, it’s IRB approved. So Institutional Research Board approved, it’s listed on clinical trials.gov. So it’s listed by the NIH. You know, I’ve done research at American Red Cross with Harold Merryman, the guy who figured out how to freeze the blood.

Dr. Judson Brandeis 46:25
I’ve done research in the Merle and Murray labs where they did the first living-related kidney transplant. And they won the Nobel Prize for that I’ve done research at UCLA, under and so I have some pretty decent research credentials. And so what this is, is using really high potency PRP so not just a regular PRP, but we have an orthopedic grade double spin PRP system, we draw 60 ccs.

Dr. Judson Brandeis 46:54
So the platelet concentrations we get are really crazy high. And then, we inject the PRP once a month for six months. And we use the traction device from the Mayo Clinic that restorex. And we use a penis pump from Dr. Joel Kaplan. Because it’s a hand pump and you can get really good girth improvement because the thing is, I mean, think about it this way, if you just do traction, right, you’re gonna get a long thin penis and to be honest, who wants a pencil penis?

Céline Remy 47:26
Now, I would prefer a short one. That’s why they’re more good. Exactly.

Dr. Judson Brandeis 47:31
Well, you know, if you stuff the thing with filler, yeah, right, it’s still going to be short, and the head is going to be small. So I call that the pig in the blanket peanuts. Right. So you don’t want to pencil peanuts, and you don’t want to pig in a blanket, you know, what you want is symmetrical penile growth.

Dr. Judson Brandeis 47:53
And so a combination of the PRP, high potency PRP and I developed a special technique for injecting the PRP that I’ll start to teach folks after we publish the study, the attraction device, the suction device, and the combination is only about 35 minutes in the morning and 35 minutes in the evening. And then using my affirm nitric oxide boosting supplement available at a firm science.com To boost circulation.

Dr. Judson Brandeis 48:26
And do that for seven months. And what we found, because we’ve had about a dozen folks go through the study because it kind of got broken up a little bit by COVID is that we can grow penises almost an inch in length, and about a quarter to three-eighths of an inch in girth, and improve function.

Dr. Judson Brandeis 48:49
Now I can’t prove to you that that function is improved because, by definition, these patients have to have reg basic, normal erectile function, they don’t have to be super functioning, but they have to be good enough because the thing is, by taking the affirm before you go to bed, you’ll get better nighttime erections and that’s some of the extra stretchings that we have as part of the study. Right?

Dr. Judson Brandeis 49:14
So you stretch with the restore act, you stretch with the Dr. Joe Kaplan pump, and then you get good nighttime erections by taking the affirm. And so we have better length, better girth, and better erectile function and the interesting thing about the study is most studies on penile length. Use a flaccid penis and use what’s called stretch penile length.

Dr. Judson Brandeis 49:39
So you basically pull the penis and then you measure it, right but I could cheap I could pull a little bit on day one and pull a lot on, you know, day 300 and say, wow, look, I grew up penis two inches, but what I do is I have guys get erections at home. I send them home with a ruler and a tape measure and they measure length and girth, and then they send me pictures. So I can prove because I have 1000s of dick pics in my email, I was gonna make

Céline Remy 50:08
that joke. I was like, this is the only time that dick pick are welcome

Dr. Judson Brandeis 50:12
Russians, if the Russians ever hacked into my email account, they

Kevin Anthony 50:15
wouldn’t really be

Dr. Judson Brandeis 50:17
in for a big surprise. Yeah, so there’s a joint meeting of the International Society of Sexual Medicine and the Sexual Medicine Society of North America in October in Miami. And I’m hoping, to present all of my data there, because this really is a safe, but effective way. Or at least, I’ve been able to show so far a safe and effective way to grow a man’s penis, it’s not going to double in size, you know, all these things we talked about. I mean, let’s be reasonable and rational.

Dr. Judson Brandeis 50:54
But the interesting thing is almost everyone I’ve got people flying in from London, from New York,, from Arizona, from Colorado, from Washington State to participate in this study, you know, the guys are motivated to have a bigger yet, penis. And, and if this goes on, if this interview goes on, pretty soon, we’re recruiting patients through the end of March, at the end of March, or the sorry, the end of February, March 1, we have to cut it off, because I need seven months to treat.

Dr. Judson Brandeis 51:33
And so that brings me to October 1, and then at the end of the month, I have of that month, I have to present the data. So really, it’s a screaming deal. 2500 bucks to participate in this study, which basically just covers the cost of the equipment, my time, and my staff’s time, isn’t, you know, we don’t charge for. But it’s going to be really exciting because it’s going to give guys a healthy way, with no side effects.

Dr. Judson Brandeis 52:00
Right, there are no negative effects of taking your blood, spinning it taking the platelets out, injecting it with a 30 gauge needle back into your penis 10 minutes later, doing penile traction, being doing penile suction, and using the affirm supplement, you know, is totally, totally healthy. And so there’s no downside at the end of the day if you do it.

Dr. Judson Brandeis 52:21
And it doesn’t work, which I don’t think it would. But if it doesn’t work, you’re not, you’re not you, the only thing you’re wasting is just your time. Right, you’re not going to have horrible scar tissue or disfigured penis or penis that doesn’t work because I’ve seen all of these things from the other penal augmentation treatments. And that’s why I’m doing the Pilon study.

Kevin Anthony 52:46
So I have a question about sort of how it works. I’m assuming that the stretching technique, it’s kind of like, you know when you’re lifting weights, and you’re causing micro-tears in the muscle, and when you’re rebuilding, right? Is it? Is it kind of like you’re the stretching is kind of doing that, and then the platelets are stimulating new growth? Is that kind of how it works?

Dr. Judson Brandeis 53:04
Yeah. So when my wife was pregnant with our twins, she went to the orthodontist and had braces put on. And the orthodontist said he’s never seen any adult’s teeth move so fast. Like because she has an enormous amount of growth factor coursing through her body because of babies, right. And so it’s the same principle, that you’re remodeling collagen, so you’re causing as you said, some damage to the tissue by the stretching, but then the growth factor is helping the regrowth of tissue afterward.

Dr. Judson Brandeis 53:42
And you ask a really good question at the beginning is, you know, is this permanent? And I would say, it is because you’re remodeling the tissue. But second of all, you’re improving erectile function by growing new blood vessels, because PRP has been shown in a double-blind placebo-controlled study of Greece to improve erectile function. So your strength, you know, you’re getting continued stretching, because you have a better erectile function.

Dr. Judson Brandeis 54:12
And so, and even, it’s really exciting. A number of my patients that are local, are continuing to get P shots and continuing to stretch because, you know, they want to see where things go. And so, I don’t know, what the, what the limit is. Well, people always want to push the limit.

Kevin Anthony 54:34
Well, I thought it was kind of important, because if we take that concept, and we relate it to something that people can already understand, you know, like building muscle or, you know, there’s surgery when people have one leg shorter than another, well, they’ll break the bone, separate a little bit with traction and then grow new bone in the middle. I mean, they’re all kind of similar ideas that people can kind of wrap their minds around.

Céline Remy 54:54
Oh, that’s painful for the penis. Yeah,

Kevin Anthony 54:57
that’s a very brutal surgery, but anyways, People can understand how that works, and then they can start to go. Oh, it’s similar to that. I get it, you know?

Dr. Judson Brandeis 55:05
Yeah, absolutely. I think you’re, you know, Kevin, you’re right on the money. I mean, you even see pictures of these people from Africa with these extended necks. Yes. You know, I mean, you can stretch body parts, you can, but the PRP is what accelerates that, right? It’s what makes it doable for like, the normal person that doesn’t want to have a peanut attraction device on for nine hours a day for nine months.

Céline Remy 55:32
I’ve seen people who had reground their phone for skin and part of the training when I went through, and it was like, basically using stretchers, and like you said, it’s hours and hours a day, I don’t even know if he really regrew, in my opinion, he just stretched his skin much more. But he was satisfied with the result and got a kind of new type of force skin.

Céline Remy 55:52
And that was what was important for him. So there are ways but what I like about the approach that you have, is that there’s a very, very little bad side effect, because of all the other methods that I’ve seen that people teach and do, I’m just very skeptical and cautious because I see it being misused.

Céline Remy 56:14
And I’ve seen too many guys using the vacuum pump wrongly doing things to themselves and like having bruises and stuff like you’re not supposed to bruise you’re not supposed to respond like this. If you’re doing it this way. It’s you’re doing it wrong. And if you do it too many times wrong, it’s going to snap at some

Kevin Anthony 56:30
point. And that’s but that’s the beauty of you know like you started this segment by saying you don’t care how long men’s penises are. But what you do care about is all the stuff that you just said, because you’ve both witnessed it. You’ve witnessed guys try all these ludicrous things to try to grow their penis and then literally hurt themselves.

Céline Remy 56:48
Absolutely. So Judson we are coming towards the end of the podcast, and we have one more juicy questions that we love to ask our guests, we want to know what is your best sexual talents?

Dr. Judson Brandeis 57:01
Boy, I think my wife would be qualified as I think my best sexual talent is to help men understand circulation, help them understand how they can improve erectile function, and then also help them understand that, you know, sex is part of physical intimacy, it’s about being close to your partner. It’s not just an especially, you know when you’re in your teens or 20s, or thereafter, you know, it can be just a physical act.

Dr. Judson Brandeis 57:38
But as you get older, I think you get a little bit wiser and you understand that it’s not just a physical act, but it’s, it’s being connected, it’s being close to someone and that, you know, that’s part a good part of the genesis of the Mental Health parts of the book and the related parts of the book is that you know, there’s almost like a Maslow’s pyramid of aging men, and you have to kind of do everything right, to get to the top, which is frequent,

Dr. Judson Brandeis 58:11
you know, physical intimacy with your spouse, you know, you have to be physically well, you have to be mentally well, you have to be emotionally Well, you have to take care, good care of your relationship. And when you do all of those things, then you can reach that sort of Pinnacle, which is more frequent physical intimacy with your spouse.

Kevin Anthony 58:32
Yes, that is absolutely right, so now you’ve basically hit on the work that I do with men, which is trying to help them do all of those things. So they can get there because they come to me and they say, I’m not having enough sex with my wife. You got to teach me these tricks or whatever. Give me the pill. Yeah, exactly.

Dr. Judson Brandeis 58:52
So like, that’s, I don’t need a pill to get a better erection, I need a pill to give to my wife so that she’ll have right. So what

Kevin Anthony 58:59
I then tried to do is go okay, I can help you with that. But what I’m really gonna do is teach you how to be the man, the right man, the guy that shows up the way he’s supposed to show up so that she wants to have sex with him. It’s a lot. It’s a tough job.

Dr. Judson Brandeis 59:16
That’s many lifetimes. That’s a lot of lifetimes of work.

Kevin Anthony 59:19
Alright, so we know that you’ve got some things that you would like to promote to the audience. So tell our audience where they can find you where they can find the book and all that great stuff.

Dr. Judson Brandeis 59:28
Yeah, well, you can find me at Brandeis. md.com, br A and D is md.com. And also, I have a YouTube channel. So I love educating physicians. I love educating, you know, the good folks out there and so I put a lot of educational content out there on my YouTube channel and also on my website.

Dr. Judson Brandeis 59:49
And that’s the genesis of the book, which is really the ultimate resource guide of basically everything that I’ve learned over the past 25 years of my education, which is you know.

Dr. Judson Brandeis 59:59
It’s been so It’s a blessing to be educated at such amazing institutions I’ve as I’ve gotten an education from and then all of my physician colleagues in different fields, so you get basically the best of 60 really top physicians and men’s health educators in one space, and that’s the 21st-century man.com. But it’s all written out in letters.

Céline Remy 1:00:23
And honestly, if you read the book cover to cover, you are most likely going to know more than your doctor, your regular doctor, because I know that’s and hadn’t picked, like the best of the best. But let’s be honest, a lot of doctors out there don’t know shit. And honestly, you reading this book will give you much more knowledge than they probably have. So you’ll have an edge?

Dr. Judson Brandeis 1:00:46
Well, you know, I don’t know if I would agree entirely with what you said. But, but, but I do, I do, in the book, emphasize that you should be a partner with your physician. And your role as a patient is, and is a partner in that relationship is to provide your physician with as much information as you possibly can. So your medical history, your list of medications, your imaging studies, your labs, a summary of why you’re there, and a list of questions.

Dr. Judson Brandeis 1:01:21
And so that will enable because I show in the book, the average physician visit is 16 minutes and 14 seconds. And 20% of healthcare professionals say that they’re going to leave medicine in the next one to two years because of burnout from COVID. So it’s not going to get better, it’s going to get worse. So instead of 16 minutes, you might have 14 minutes or 13 minutes. And you want to make sure that you make the most of that time.

Dr. Judson Brandeis 1:01:53
And there’s a formula in the book for how to make the best use of time. And I agree with you that physicians don’t know everything. And I love it when patients actually come in with stacks of paper, and things that they’ve learned on the internet because I’ll just go through that. And sometimes I’ll say, you know, listen, sorry, but this is crap. Sometimes I’ll say, you know, this is exactly what I’m going to talk to you about today.

Dr. Judson Brandeis 1:02:19
And sometimes I’ll say, Wow, I didn’t know that. You know, let me delve into it. Let me do some research. And I’ve actually discovered some really interesting things through patients. So, you know, I what I would say is find a physician that’s open to new learning, find a physician that’s open to your input, because it’s your health, and find a physician who feels like it’s a partnership between the patient and the physician.

Kevin Anthony 1:02:49
That is excellent advice. And don’t worry, we understand you’re in a delicate position. You can’t say anything bad about Doctor, that’s okay. No, but what you said is absolutely correct is you should be an integral part of the process and not just rely on the other person to tell you everything.

Kevin Anthony 1:03:07
And it should be a partnership working between and yeah, definitely find doctors who are open to new ideas, which they’re out there, they’re out there, they may not be as easy to find as you would wish they were, but they’re out there.

Dr. Judson Brandeis 1:03:20
Well, and you know, like, for example, in my prostate chapter, I have information in the prostate chapter that will be ahead of a lot of the urologists out there. But you know, it’s going on at the universities and at some of the top-tier private practices. And so it is fair to say, you know, before I do a prostate biopsy before someone sticks an ultrasound probe up my butt and puts a needle through my rectal mucosa 12 times I want an MRI

Dr. Judson Brandeis 1:03:53
That’s fair to say, and it’s fair to say, I want to MRI fusion biopsy. If you don’t do an MRI fusion biopsy, I want to go to university or a place that has it, that’s totally fair. And, and your physician should respect that. And that’s the level of information that’s in the book.

Dr. Judson Brandeis 1:04:13
As you know, a lot of the chapters are 2345 years ahead of maybe where your local physician is, that doesn’t mean your local physicians are bad. But you may say, Listen, I read this in the book. Do you have this? If you don’t have this? Can you send me to someone who might have you know, and that’s perfectly fair, and you should never take no for an answer.

Kevin Anthony 1:04:35
Absolutely.

Céline Remy 1:04:37
Well, thank you so much for your time, Jetson. It was a very great conversation. I believe this is officially our longest podcast and there’s so much more to cover. So get the book all the links will be in the description. We really appreciate your passion, your knowledge, and everything that you shared with us today on the shelter. Thank you very much.

Dr. Judson Brandeis 1:04:54
Awesome. Thank you so much for having me on. I really appreciate it.

Kevin Anthony 1:04:58
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Céline Remy 1:05:18
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