What Are The Masculine And Feminine Archetypes In Us All With Andrew Daniel

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Kevin Anthony 0:28
All right, welcome back to the Love Lab podcast. This is episode 256. And it is titled What are the masculine and feminine archetypes in us all? So on this show, if you’ve been listening for a while, you know that I talk a lot about masculine and feminine energies and polarities. But I haven’t really gotten into archetypes all that much, even though it is a subject that has fascinated me for a long time. And actually, it’s been on my list of shows to do but I just haven’t gotten there yet. So today we’re going to cover basically all of those things we’re going to talk about what are they? How are they different? How does that factor in when somebody is maybe going through a process or you know, if somebody is coaching work like my guest does today. So I think it’s going to be really fascinating conversation because I think it’s going to be a little bit different angle than you’re used to hearing. That’s what I think is going to happen on this show.

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Andrew Daniel 2:08
Thanks for having me, Kevin.

Kevin Anthony 2:10
It’s a super interesting bio. You got you’ve got some, I mean from I’m not even sure you maybe you can tell us a little bit about, you know, the Center for systematic development, but also an advisor at the Alan Watts organization. That’s something that is interesting. At least it is to me anyway.

Andrew Daniel 2:26
You’re a fan of Alan Watts? Yeah, he was remarkable. Yeah, and that’s, that’s just half of the bio. So it’s, it’s really great to be here. I guess I’ll share a little bit about that. So the center for center symmetric filament, which you said perfectly, sometimes people goof on that one. So that was great. That’s where we do a process called Cinna somatics, which I’m sure we’ll talk about here. Because it has a lot to do with how I discovered these masculine and feminine archetypes within the body. So we do a lot of embodiment work. I do a lot of work with couples, as well. And it’s really interesting to see couples come together and see these masculine, feminine, and feminine polarities, play out through their movements and interactions with each other.

So that’s a bit of the relevant stuff that we do. At this at the center. And yeah, the book piece Awaken to Your True Self. So this is a book, not quite as focused on sex and relationships. But everything I talk about is relevant. I talk about narcissism, I talked about intimacy, I talked about feeling sensuality, and getting out of the head into the body, all stuff that we all can use to improve our relationships. And yeah, the Alan Watts organization, basically, I’m an advisor there, and I’ve been with them for about two years, helping them with new innovations and systems. We’re working on a new streaming platform that has the entire audio and video collection of Alan Watts. We have unreleased stuff coming out of things that have been colorized from black and white. So a lot of fun stuff that we work on over there.

Kevin Anthony 4:24
Very cool. I appreciate it a little bit more of an explanation because I was just curious myself, I wanted to know a little bit more about that. All right, so let’s just dive in here. So as I mentioned at the beginning of the show, I mentioned that I talked about masculine and feminine polarities a lot on the show, but people get my take on it. And I think I have a feeling that will be relatively in line, but I have a feeling that you might have your own sort of take on it too. So I’m wondering if you could just tell the audience a little bit about masculine and feminine polarities like what are they what does that mean when we say that?

Andrew Daniel 5:00
I think the best place to start off with is duality. So we’re going to, we’re going to chunk up a little bit here. And if you can understand the nature of time and space, okay, we’re choking up quite a bit here. That’s the nature, of time and space. And our current three-dimensional reality is a dualistic polarized reality. For every up there is a down for every proton, there’s an electron for every North Pole, and there’s a south pole. For every left, there’s a right, and movement and time, right, the future, the past, movement and time would not be possible without this duality. In the east, it’s referred to as the Tao, the yin and yang, right, so we’ve all seen this yin and yang symbol. And these are really the two foundational energies of our reality. Now, this sounds really big, it sounds really esoteric.

But this has everything to do with masculine-feminine because that’s what it is. Masculine and Feminine. North Pole, South Pole, Yin, Yang, black and white, light, dark, left, right, up and down. It’s the same thing. Now, when it comes to what we’re talking about here, too, what’s interesting to all of your listeners, is what that has to do with our sex life with our relationships with men and women. So if you can understand this concept that our entire reality functions on polarity, you’ll start to understand the importance of how this shows up in our relationships, you’ll also be able to understand that there is no value judgment here, because a lot of people, when you start talking about masculine and feminine, there are all these distortions, there are all these stereotypes, there’s all these traumas and triggers. And there’s a lot, even nowadays, it’s, it’s even more insane.

Because even if you just say man or woman, people are going nuts. So if you understand that, when we’re talking about masculine-feminine dynamics in a relationship, this is a, if not, the foundational principle of what makes our reality work. It changes everything. Because it’s no longer about men versus women, or being girly or boyish. It’s about how our reality fundamentally works. So that’s where I usually start in addressing this. Because if we get right into Well, men do this, and women do this. And then you become polarized. There’s all of this baggage that many cultures bring to it. But if we chunk up and say, This is literally just an extension of how everything in our current universe works. It takes all of that off the table. And you look at it as just a simple, matter of fact, there’s no belief systems, there’s no culture, culture, dogma, it’s just oh, well, this is just the nature of the universe. And as humans, we’re an extension of that nature.

Kevin Anthony 8:45
I love that explanation. That’s probably one of the best explanations I’ve heard. And I love the fact that you chunked up, interestingly enough, but one of the things that popped into my mind when you were saying that is one of the things that I see in more, quote, unquote, spiritual circles, right? People who think that you know, they’re doing more work, and they’re further advanced than everybody else, is this idea that you can transcend the duality, right? And so, I don’t want to go too far down this rabbit hole, but I have to ask you about it. So this idea that you can transcend the duality and one of the things that I’m always telling people when I’m working with them, and we’re talking about these subjects is exactly what you just said, which is, this is literally the foundation of everything in existence. You can’t escape it. If you are here in a physical body and you are human, you cannot escape the fact that everything is based on duality.

Andrew Daniel 9:39
Yes, so this has been a journey for me and a struggle for me because I’ve been one of those spiritual people. In my work, we call it spiritual elitism. We call it a spiritualized ego, the spiritualized ego is the ego that says egos are bad. Let me help you not have an ego says the ego. And it really is a booby trap. I think a lot of people have really great intentions and we just get hoodwinked, we just get hoodwinked in some of this stuff. So what I’ve figured out through about 15 years of sorting through all this stuff, is that it’s not an either-or, it’s understanding context. It’s understanding orders of reality. So in the way that I’ve experienced, nondual, right, there’s a lot of nondual teachings, which I’m a student of, is it’s not oneness, because when you say oneness, and when you say duality, that’s a duality in itself. So even in this oneness, you’re still a part, you’re still trapped in that dualistic way of thinking.

What I’ve come to the conclusion of is that this nondual, for the sake of understanding this oneness Ness, transcends duality. So it’s like Eternity, Eternity is not a really long time. Eternity is beyond time and space altogether. And that’s this essence of nonduality of this oneness. And so we exist in time and space. So in these bodies, right here, right now, we are in duality. But it’s understanding duality in the context of nonduality or slash oneness. And that was very helpful because it was no longer a battle at the same level, it was just understanding that, like flight, and the law of lift, that supersedes gravity. So things can fly. If gravity is real, and brings us all down, well, then how can birds and planes work? Well, there’s another order of physics that transcends that.

So that’s one aspect of understanding. We live in duality within a context of nonduality. We live in time in the context of eternity. And if you look at them together, you’re gonna get really confused and have no idea. But if you understand these are in order of consciousness in order of reality, then it makes everything everything fit together, because you say, okay, all right, well, this is duality. We have men and men and women, we have positive, negative, we have all this stuff. And yet there is there’s this sense that we’re still all connected. That it’s there’s something beyond good and evil. There’s something beyond just this dualistic way of thinking. You look at the yin and yang symbol. Well, yin and yang, this white fish and black fish chasing each other, these two sides, yes, there’s two of them. But if you look at them, they’re identical. They’re just the same thing. They’re just the opposites of each other. And it’s one symbol, it’s not two different symbols separate, it’s one symbol.

So there’s so much data in these symbols themselves, these archetypes that if you know how to perceive them, it, it has so much data and wisdom for you. But if you’re caught in these certain ways of thinking things, you don’t see it. So my final point with that, to conclude with the transcendent thing, as in one of the chapters of my book, I have this phrase, and it’s called your humanity is your divinity. And what a lot of people are trying to do with the whole transcending thing is they’re trying to overcome their humanity. They’re trying to say, there’s something up there that I should be at because this is inferior, this is not enough. This is animalistic. And so they’re trying to escape their humanity. They’re trying to escape their suffering. They’re trying to be more than human. Well, the problem is your humanity is your divinity as you try to escape who you are, you’re abandoning yourself. It’s completely distorted This is it? Because when you think this is not it, that there’s something else you’re not here you’re always trying to escape to transcend to ascend, and you’re missing the very thing that we’re here to do.

Kevin Anthony 14:41
Wow, so okay, I don’t always do these when I have guests but I gotta give you a truth bomb sound effect here because, wow, I didn’t expect to go so deep into the philosophy of it, but I am so glad we did because you You did such an excellent job of really clearly explaining some really difficult ideas like the one seriously, because you, you indicated that it took you 15 years of studying all these nondual teachings to finally come to that conclusion. And I don’t know how many years I’ve been studying that stuff. But it took me a lot of years to come to that conclusion, too, right? It’s not an easy thing to wrap your mind around. But you did a very good job of explaining it. And, given the loaded nature of the topic of masculinity and femininity in today’s society, I think that was a really fantastic place to start. Because that really lays the foundation for what it is we’re actually talking about. And like you said, it takes the dogma out, it takes you know, the religion out, it takes the, you know, politics out and just looks at it more from, you know, how is the nature of reality constructed? So thank you for that. I thought that was really, really brilliant.

Andrew Daniel 15:55
Thank you. You’re welcome.

Kevin Anthony 15:57
I mean, this is kind of stuff that I personally am fascinated in. I don’t know how much the listeners are fascinated by it. But I could have, we could sit here and talk about this the whole rest of the show. However, however, that’s not why the listeners are here. So. So let’s bring it down a little bit. We kind of chunked out let’s kind of chunk in a little, and then talk about how these coexist within each of us, right? Because then we’re talking about masculine and feminine energies, you mentioned that they’re both present. So how, how do they coexist within us? And potentially, how are they expressed?

Andrew Daniel 16:34
There are two different ways of approaching this a, a philosophical, sort of theoretical way, and an embodied way. So if we look at it just of how we operate in the world, we can see that there are these masculine and feminine principles. If we go back, they’re just yin and yang. So you’ll have logic and reason. And then you’ll have intuition and creativity, you will have linear and well-defined and structured, then you’ll have abstract and chaotic. We move through life and the world, pulling from all of these. Right? You can be a person who has structure and logic and reason, but also intuition and creativity. You can be someone who thinks from rationale and reasoning, and you can be someone who moves from feeling and emotion. Neither is good or bad, neither is right or wrong. And each of us has access to this entire spectrum.

So that’s one way to look at it. And it’s what a lot of people look at. And when it comes to relationships, that we that’s what we talk about, oh, the masculine qualities in us the feminine qualities in men and women. Most of the time, it’s focused on men and masculinity, and women and femininity, which is fine. When it comes to sex. Those are very polarizing, they’re very sexy, and they’re exciting. That’s what creates solvent. And attraction. Well, what I wanted, and that’s a lot of stuff out there on that, and we can talk about that. But what is not out there a lot is the second part, the embodiment piece. And so in the sin of somatic work, what I found out and discovered and have proof in evidence is these polarities exist within our own bodies. So for example, the right side of the body has the Yang, the masculine quality to it. The left is the Yin, the feminine. And I’m just going to drop a little bit this year as kind of as a teaser we can get into later.

But this is evident so much to the point in my work, that when I have clients come in to do an assessment call, I tell them to move their hands. Oftentimes, I can see their parent’s relationship, their parent’s dynamic play through in their hands. The father’s energy comes through on this side and the mother’s comes through this side. And the way the hands move and interact. Right How the hands actually move and interact, reveal how when that person was a child, they took on through an embodiment absorption through a mimicking through an entrainment of watching their parents. That then became how they embodied it. And so you see people literally moving through the world, when I see literally, I mean, literally in their bodies, the way that they show up in their bodies, that those patterns get adopted and passed on from their parents and lives within them. We’ve all seen the little girl do things that mom and dad did, oh, she does that same hand movement as her mom, or he walks like his dad, watts.

That is not an accident. Those are mythologies, those are structures, those are archetypical patterns that the children adopt, because they’re just sponges, and then become embodied into them. And then they go live their life moving from that place in their body. And so our mother and our Father, are our initial reference point for the divine masculine and feminine, or the yin and yang, our mother and father are gods to us when we’re born. They’re literally divine creatures. I mean, we are at complete. We’re completely at their hands. And so they are our reference point for the masculine-feminine principles in life. And so you see this practically right? So what’s more practical with this? Well, it’s the woman who ends up marrying and dating her father met, right, her father, men who look like her father acts like it. And the boys end up becoming men who are dating their mothers. And there are qualities, even if they look different, maybe there are qualities or behaviors, things like that. So what I’ve discovered is that these are not only concepts that we have in our minds, but they are archetypical ways of representing these principles that are actually within our bodies.

Kevin Anthony 22:17
Yeah, that’s kind of laughing to myself, as you were just describing that because I look more so. So Céline, my wife who has passed and listeners already know that I look more like her dad than I do like my own dad. That is no joke. We both have long hair, right? We both have beards. We’re both the same height. We’re about the same frame. Like it’s ridiculous. It sounds kind of laughing because yeah, she obviously chose somebody that looked a lot like her dad. And there are way more similarities between him and I as well. It’s kind of funny, but you’re right. These are things that we tend to do. I’ve had another guest on the show, as well, who he doesn’t want to talk about archetypes. But his whole thing was that we tend to pick up communication patterns from our parents, which is obvious, but what he was saying specifically was, so as a man, I would learn how to communicate with women, the way that my mother communicated with me, because she was my primary female role model, right. And so you see a lot of those patterns. So what you’re saying is, is really, really true that in those early formative years, we are learning like sponges, everything about what it is to be a man and what it is to be a woman from our primary role models, which are our parents.

Andrew Daniel 23:39
Yeah, exactly. And then those show up in the body. So how do we make this practical, let me just if I can about some of Cinesomatics, because that puts a really different spin on this. So Cinna Cymatics is a transformational modality. So if you just look at the word Sinha as a video, and also it has its origins in Greek in Keno of movement, and then somatics of the body. So basically, what I do is I get people to move in their body, it could be dancing, or we get people on a slackline. We can have them shake their hands, we can have them toss objects to each other anything. So we get people moving in their bodies, then we film it. And so I’ve very high in cinematography equipment, we can also do it over Zoom.

So we film people moving their bodies, then we play that video back. And what I do is I go into that feeling place and I reflect back to them and I give them feedback on all of the stories, the mythologies, the archetypes, the blocks, the shadow material, the masculine and feminine polarities that show up in their physical body. So I reflect back to them that and then they get to see it for them. Olsen video, they get to see their own body. And these masculine and feminine archetypes playing out through their own body on video on video, while I’m giving them this feedback. So that’s my main sort of thing that I do. That’s my main business and facilitation is this process. So, through this, with these things that we get from our parents, we get growing up with these masculine and feminine reference points. As I watch people move, and as they see themselves in their bodies, I can see these stories play out of childhood. So let’s say, Mom, was passive-aggressive and played very small. And dad was tyrannical and abusive.

Well, guess what, that’s how that client, how that person is relating to those principles in themselves, and in the world, in other men and other women and in themselves. So let’s say there’s a quality of men, right? Let’s say it’s, it’s very tyrannical. Okay, because that’s what the father was. So you have someone who either becomes tyrannical, or they’re in reaction formation from it, and becomes very, very no boundaries, or very helicopter parenting, right, then they’re in reaction formation to it. And for the mother, vice versa. So all of these dynamics are playing out. But there are subconscious, they’re actually within the person’s body. And then they play out in the movement. How you do one thing is how you do anything. So as it plays out in the movement, that’s how it actually plays out in their life. So this stuff is not just theoretical, it’s not a spiritual belief system. This stuff is practical, how they move in their body, how the masculine shows up in the body, how the feminine shows up in the body, relates to what they learned as a child throughout their life and their experiences, and the results they get in their own personal relationships.

Kevin Anthony 27:18
Yeah, absolutely. I completely agree with you. You know, I really do wish that Céline Were here because I know that she would have some fascinating questions to ask you about this because she did a lot of somatic work herself. Oh, cool. Great. And, you know, one of her her little phrases that, you know, she came, I don’t know if she came up with it, but she used to say it all the time was, you know, your issues get stuck in your tissues. So, yeah, that’s, yeah, that idea that so, you know, what we’re talking about here is, it’s our learned behaviors from our parents that getting bought into us physically, you’re what she was talking about was a little bit more of, you know, whatever traumas, you’ve experienced traumas. Yeah, that sort of stuff also gets locked into your, your, literally your physical body. And so doing somatic type work, which I think my listeners are probably somewhat familiar with, is a way of releasing that stuff. I think your approach is really interesting and unique. No, I think that’s the first time I’ve heard of somebody doing it exactly that way. So that sounds really interesting. Okay, let’s talk a little bit about oh, actually, we’re at the halfway point. I need a break already. I just looked at the time like, Whoa, that was already halfway. Okay. Let me read it out from the sponsor, and then we will continue.

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Andrew Daniel 29:46
Yeah, so let me first clarify a bit about how I talk about archetypes because it’s a little bit different. So I you know, there there’s, I think a book War You’re a King, magician lover, you know, something like that. I haven’t read it. But I understand the premise. This is different than that. So a lot of people come in and say, All right, we’re gonna be doing archetypical work. And they’re like, Oh, well, what archetype am I? And that’s not quite what we’re doing here. So when I talk about archetypes, I’m, I’m referring to the Quint essential energy of something. So for example. Being dominant is dominant dominance, that’s an archetypical energy submissive is an archetypical energy. Now, there are mythological archetypes that reuse represent these concepts, which a lot is what most people talk about. And so for those we have, what kind of what we talked about sort of laying this foundation, and bouncing around a bit, but I’ll bring it all together, and we’ll make it it’ll make sense.

So, we have stereotypes, which are manly, or girly, or cold, culturally based things like that, that from culture to culture will be different. You know. So, in some cultures, men are more like this. And women are more like this, or whatever it is. These stereotypes are like, oh, all men like football and drinking beer, and all women like shopping and painting their nails. These are stereotypes. And to me, they’re not very interesting. And they usually do more harm than good. However, a lot of these stereotypes come from an archetypical thing. So liking football and drinking beer, whatever, this kind of thing. Well, there’s an archetypical energy underneath that of men bonding, right? So this brotherhood archetype, there’s an athleticism, right a hunter, a physical prowess. There’s this testosterone kind of energy that leads to stronger muscles of physical, you know, hunting animals. So if you trace it back, you can see that mythologically over history, and evolutionary.

These contain more of the archetypes, it doesn’t matter what culture you’re in, men are going to have more physical strength, and there’s a certain archetype around that. And with women, same thing. So those are more of the things that I talk about. When I refer to archetypes, we talk about those overseer trips, we almost never talk about these stereotypes, or will men do this and women do that? It’s just very low-resolution thinking. If you get into these archetypes, you start dealing with energies. When I say energies, I don’t mean something. esoteric, I mean, like, dominance is an energy confidence is an energy leading is an energy following is an energy surrendering. So these are the things that I focus on. And these are the things that play out with my clients. So for example, how this can play out is, let’s say, let’s say there’s a client who is abandoning themselves, who is trying to rescue people, and overgiving, alright, so they, and they are not feeling nourished and fulfilled, their needs aren’t being met. These are archetypical concepts.

Now, if you put all of those together, there’s a feeling behind it. And there’s a certain archetype that summarizes all of that, that could be a martyr. Now we can put it, we can personify the archetype and say, Okay, this looks like a Joan of Arc, or whatever it is, those are personifications to these archetypes. The archetypes transcend those people. And so when we start taking a look at that, we say, oh, okay, well, you have this myth playing through you of being this martyr. And then the client gets to see themselves doing that on video. So they get to see that martyr archetype play through their bodies. They get to see how they’re abandoning themselves. They’re literally abandoning their spine. They’re leaning forward. They’re doing all these physical things. You that are a result of embodying the energies of that archetype. And so we address the dysfunctional stuff first, the traumas, the distortions, all of that. And then we say, Okay, well, why are you martyring? yourself? Okay, you can see it. Okay, well, your needs aren’t being met.

Okay, well, what are your needs? And then so we go into each of those and dive into, okay, well, how do you get your needs met without abandoning yourself without being a martyr. And so that’s where all of the healing takes place, as well as becoming more functional. Because it’s, I’ve realized it’s not just about healing, or not just about functionality. You can read books on self-help on how to become a better lover, a better man. And you can read other things that are like, Well, how do you heal the trauma? How do you heal how your dad left you? Or your mom was, you know, bipolar? And you were abused from that. But nothing really comes together and says, Well, how do you heal all of this? And make more money? How do you do all of this and heal and actually attract more women or men into your life? And so this whole process of looking at these masculine feminine energies is archetypes in the body, allow you to see these things in yourself practically, they’re not just a theory, you’re not just reading a book and having to figure out, well, how does the king apply to my life, you actually get to do the things make the choices in your body, move your body physically, and that creates this transformation. And then from there, we start helping people embody more functional archetypes. So rather than being a martyr, what could be more useful? How about a warrior? How about, you know, whatever the hell it is?

Kevin Anthony 36:43
Yeah. Two great things that you said there. The first one is that you are sort of separating what people usually call archetypes like you said, the king and the this and that. And the reason why I think that’s such a good idea is because I see this, you know, I see it in astrology, especially Eastern Astrology, when people are big into that there’s, you know, there’s an animal, right, and everybody wants to be, I want to be the tiger. I want to be the lion. I don’t want to be a snake. Right? And they’re missing. Right? Yep. And I have a friend, who runs a website based on spirit animals. And you see the same thing over there all the time to people that like, I don’t want to have a butterfly as my spirit. Because they want to be the Gopher, right? Right? Because they project too much onto the symbol itself.

And so I like the fact that you separate those symbols out because, I mean, you’re talking to a guy, what guy doesn’t want to be the king, right? Every guy wants to be the king. So if you didn’t get to any other archetype other than the king, he’s like, Oh, I don’t want to be that. So that’s the first part that you said that I really think is really great is separating that out and focusing more on the underlying energies. And yeah, maybe later on, you can bring in the personification of that. But that’s great. The second thing that you said that I really liked is usually when people talk about archetypes. And you mentioned this before, too, it’s like armor, this armor that I took the quiz and it said, I was blah, blah, blah. But then the question always becomes, well, how does that apply to life? How does that help me? How does that help me fix whatever problem I got or heal from whatever I’m trying to heal from? And I liked you, you clearly explained how you can take that information, and then use it to create transformation, which is really what it’s all about, right?

Andrew Daniel 38:40
Yeah, the transformation is the point. You know, a lot of us, we just call them data gathering. They’re just looking for more information to fill up their head. And in the beginning, is really great, because you’re learning all this stuff. You’re having all these awareness of breakthroughs. But eventually, if you don’t actually take action and transform your life, make new choices. You do what I’ve done many times is you start hiding behind the information. You know, so astrology, oh, well, I’m of this. We don’t do that. I’m a Scorpio. Scorpios don’t do that. No, no. As a side note, as a fun side note for the people that want to hear this. In the higher esoteric work that I do, there’s an understanding that you’re born into an astrological sign. Well, the whole point isn’t to be a victim to that.

The whole point is to actually integrate the entire zodiac, you actually integrate and embody the entire thing. You just start off with certain limitations with certain preferences. And you go through that every single thing has something to offer and you said something amazing, that that I do in my work all the time. with clients is projection. So it’s okay. So all right when I say, Oh, you’re the Gopher, or you’re this, and you get upset, why? And then we start, all of those projections you talked about are what prevents that person from accessing the resources of that archetype. When you’re judging the lover, the magician, the butterfly, the Gopher, whatever it is, in a practical sense, it could be character qualities like for men, right? Men hear, Oh, well surrender. Let yourself be penetrable soften slow down through like beauty. No, right? Well, guess what that tells me they’re all out of relationship with those archetypes with those energies, which means two things.

One, they’re not letting them have that in their own life. Right, they don’t have access to beauty, they don’t have access to surrender, which, again, doesn’t matter if you’re a man or a woman. All of these are important things. And two, they don’t know how to relate to it, which means when they meet a woman, they can’t understand it. They don’t know how to relate to it. They just don’t see it, or they reject it. And this is when you have men that are like, Oh, she’s so emotional. Oh, I can’t handle her questions. Or this? Those are our people that are out of a relationship with all of those things.

Kevin Anthony 41:33
Yeah, absolutely. Again, just really, really well said I, I don’t know that I’ve had a conversation on archetypes that have been laid out as clearly as this one has. So I really, I really appreciate that. And I think there’s a reason when you get into spiritual teachings, as you know because you’ve already mentioned to me that you’ve studied a lot of this stuff. You know, it seems really hard to understand. And eventually, after enough study, you get what they’re trying to tell you. And then you go, why didn’t they just say that? Like, why didn’t they just say that? Right? Well, there’s a reason why they didn’t just say that, because if they just said it, you wouldn’t have heard it, and you wouldn’t have understood it. And you wouldn’t have integrated it into who you are, right? I have a feeling that people who are listening to this show like you dropped some really, really big truths about archetypes and how they apply.

And I think this might be one of those ones that people will go back and listen to five years down the road after they’ve done a bunch of work, and they’re gonna go, now I get it, I understand what he said that makes total sense. So archive this one listeners and go back to it at some point in the future. And I think it’s going to make even more sense to you then. Okay. This is a fascinating discussion on archetypes. I’m wondering, because there are a lot of different directions, we can go in here. And we only have a little bit of time left. So I’m curious, are there any sort of final words that you want to leave people with when it comes to archetypes, masculine-feminine energies, the work that you do?

Andrew Daniel 43:10
Yeah, a bit of a continuation of what we were just saying is that so many of us get. So many of us get caught up in our projections, our judgments, and our distortions of these things. I’ve done a lot of work in developing both my masculine and feminine. And I will meet women, and I’m in more relationships with my feminine with my intuition, with my creativity, being able to surrender, feeling emotions. And a lot of women love it. And a lot of women also get freaked out by it, because they they don’t understand. And so also the same thing with men is that I don’t look like a 250-pound, jacked, rip, dominating alpha or whatever. But when I’m with my woman, and when I’m with her in the bedroom, she’ll beg to differ. And in my life, right? Well, what’s being an alpha male?

Well, there are all the stereotypes and then there are archetypes Well, what’s leading isn’t being a boss, right? There’s, there’s maybe cool graphic you’ve seen was like, leadership is this being a boss is this a boss is being on top. And with a whip, telling all of the servants what to do? A leader is out in front and pulling the pack forward. And so there’s a lot of misunderstandings. There are a lot of projections and distortions. Some of those come from trauma. Some of those come from pain, right? If you’ve had men or women in your life, that have acted in certain ways and have hurt you or abused you, that gets put in, that gets wired in. All women are bitches, all men are assholes. This kind of language and behavior is only going to lead to suffering. It’s verifiably not true. But if you are seeing the world, through this projection through this lens, you’re gonna have a lot of suffering.

If you’re looking at masculinity, if you’re looking at femininity through these superficial, stereotypical distorted lenses, you’re going to have a lot of suffering. This is what’s happening in our society right now. There’s a war against men, because there have been a few tyrannical corrupt, Shadow, dark, terrible men who have led and controlled things and attacked the feminine, and have been destructive and abusive. That has been terrible. But that is not what men stand for. That is a shadow aspect of masculinity. There has been women who have done it, right, you’ve had the Succubus this, right? You have these archetypes, these energies of seducing manipulating, poisoning us, you know, that’s a dark shadow aspect of, of a woman of femininity. And if you just take those and apply them to everything, it’s wrong. It’s verifiably distorted, and incorrect, and it’s going to lead to a lot of suffering. Or here in America, in the West, just things are just absolutely insane right now in the political-cultural front, where you can even say, a man or a woman without somebody freaking out. This is insane. This is not functional. This is incredibly destructive and cancerous to our society.

Are there things that men and women stereotypically throughout history have done? That have been terrible. Yes, absolutely. Are there also things that men and women throughout history stereotypically have done that have been incredible, right, like building society up protecting, giving birth, raising children, creativity, making business, and countless, countless, countless, countless things? So why I’m saying all of this, why this is kind of my final world thing, word thing is because talking about masculine-feminine to you right now, in our current culture is just, there’s just bombs and booby traps everywhere. So if you can take it back to understanding that what we’re talking about has nothing to do with any of that. It has to do with these foundational principles of the existence of the universe of consciousness of just how life works. Male and female, create offspring, you know that you can vary that however you want. You can live your life however you want. But when it becomes a crime, to say something like that, we’re in serious trouble. And the reason I bring this up, again, is because if you’re studying these concepts if you’re living in these modern times, you’re going to be getting all of these conflicting inputs around all of this stuff.

And if you can just remember to contextualize this, that this is not a political desta discussion. This is a basic physics discussion. This is a basic how men and women are relating to each other, how you relate to yourself. If that’s even difficult for you, just bring it back to yourself. How do you relate to these principles? These masculine and feminine yin and yang principles within yourself? What is your relationship to being rational? What is your relationship to intuition? What is your relationship to thinking? What is your relationship with feeling? What is your relationship with leading a following, of being dominant, of surrendering, of being able to take control of being able to let go of control, and if you can start your journey here or continue your journey here? Based on relating to these archetypes, these concepts within yourself and start to heal those and start to say, Okay, well, I’m actually really afraid I’m a follower. I don’t want to lead because I’ll be too visible. I’m going to fail, I’m going to be humiliated. Great.

Those are the places you want to start looking at. That’s where you want to start healing or vice versa. And then from that, when you start healing those and getting them related to both of these yin and yang principles, you’re going to have the embodiment, let’s say you, you’re a man, and you want to be a masculine man, well, you’re going to start developing these masculine qualities, to be able to lead to be able to whatever it is. But you’re also developing your intuition, your feeling sense, your emotional IQ, your EQ, and your ability to surrender. Well, guess what? Well, with when you’re with a woman, you’re going to know how to lead her into those things. You’re going to know what those things look and feel like, oh, surrender, well, what do you need to surrender? Oh, safety, trust, respect, you know, report those things, Oh, okay. Well, then you’ll know how to provide that for your woman, you’ll know that that’s what she needs. And you’ll have compassion and understanding to guide her through that. And to you also, when you’re with her, what happens when she’s loving you more than you’ve been able to ever receive before, you’re going to have to surrender, you’re going to have to let go of the armor, you’re maybe going to have to take off the warrior, drop the shield down, let her love it. Let her support nurturing tenderness to come in. And so you start this journey by relating to these concepts yourself. And then as you do that, that gives you access to those resources to then have that wisdom to apply in your relationships.

Kevin Anthony 51:31
So well said yet again, I know I keep saying that, throughout this, this interview, you know, I don’t actually say that all the time, to all my guests like so because you don’t really know each other. I’m not one of those hosts that just sits there and kisses the butt of all the guests. I challenge people, but I’m just really agreeing with what you’re saying and how you’re saying it. So, therefore, I’m just letting you know that. Thank you. What was interesting was that I said there were several different directions that we could go. And we only had a little bit of time. So I kind of wanted to see which one you wanted to speak about the most. But in doing so, you covered several of the different directions that I thought we could go in, which was great. I mean, absolutely fantastic.

I’m only going to mention one because we are running out of time. And I want you to have an opportunity to tell people where they can find you. And then I have one further question for you. But the one part that you said in all of that, that I do just want to come back to is you were mentioning how in today’s society, we can’t even really talk about masculine and feminine stuff these days, because people are getting offended and triggered and all that. And I just want to say the whole reason why I continue to talk about it. And why I have people like you on the show is because I want to counter that narrative, I want to help try to bring us back into alignment with these sorts of universal teachings. So thank you for being here and helping do that.

Andrew Daniel 52:57
Well, thank you for doing that. Because we need it. We need more people like you that are bringing that in providing a space to give people permission to not only share it, like myself, but also to hear it to say, Oh, I’m not crazy. I’m not crazy for thinking it’s okay to be a man or it’s okay to be a woman. Oh, it’s just so weird place we’re in history where we have to do this. But even for a while there’s still been a battle of the sexes of men versus women. And that always confused the hell out of me because I’m like, wait a minute. Why is there a war between us when we want to like be making love and have sex and bed like, you don’t do that with someone that you hate? So that was one of the things that I realized early on, Oh, this isn’t a men versus women thing. You know, that whole paradigm is terribly flawed. I thank you as well.

Kevin Anthony 53:57
You’re welcome. Yeah, I completely agree. And as you said earlier in the show that the classic Taoist symbol of the Yin Yang is just the perfect representation of that. We are opposite yet the same. And part of the whole I mean, it’s there’s no better way to symbolize that. Okay, why don’t you tell the listeners where they can find more about your work, your center, your book, or anything else you want to promote? Great, thanks.

Andrew Daniel 54:21
So if you liked some of these principles, my book awaken to your true self. It’s a big book. It goes into a lot of the inner stuff with this. You can find Amazon whatever my website, Andrewdaniel.org. I offered couples sessions, I offer an embodiment assessment. So if you like or are interested in how these masculine feminine principles or dating principles or anything around relationships is actually showing up in your body to the subconscious stuff that you just can’t see it If that sounded interesting to you just go to my website, and to daniel.org. And you can find my book, you can schedule that you can learn about some semantics, all of that stuff.

Kevin Anthony 55:11
Awesome. And the link is in the description as always. Alright, and one final question for you has nothing to do well, maybe it does have something to do. It all depends on how you answer it. But I always like to have a little fun at the end of the show when we have guests. So there’s a question we ask everybody, which is, what is your best sexual talent?

Andrew Daniel 55:32
Oh. I’m really good. With energy and words. So just being able to talk erotic I could write, I can write erotica, and talk sexually. So probably whispering or talking or writing sexting, anything about using words and energy and feeling to arouse or turn on my woman is probably pretty good.

Kevin Anthony 56:09
You know, that is a skill that not very many men have. And yet a lot of women really like it. Yeah, a lot of women always say you hear this a lot, especially when you do coaching work around sex. Like, I wish he would be more vocal, I wish he would tell me this, I wish he would say these things. You know, and a lot of guys really struggle with that. So good for you for mastering that skill.

Andrew Daniel 56:30
It took a lot of work. But I was one of those guys, I was not born with any of this. So you can learn that.

Kevin Anthony 56:36
And you know, that is an excellent point to make, which is you know, when if somebody’s listening to somebody like you, or if they’re listening to my show, and they’re hearing the advice that I give, realize we weren’t born with any of this. We learned it all through sometimes trial and error through a lot of studies through working with coaches, therapists and whatever ourselves. So if we can do it, you can do it. Absolutely. Yeah. Thank you so much for being on the show. fascinating conversation. I loved it. And I agree with what you said, which is like, I can’t even believe that we are in this time in history where we have to actually say these things. Yeah. But we do. And there’s a real need for and it’s really work that is just so important at this time and age. So thank you again for being on the show.

Andrew Daniel 57:23
Thank you for having me, Kevin. I really loved your questions. And it was fun diving into some of these a little bit deeper concepts on your show. So thanks for providing that space.

Kevin Anthony 57:35
You’re welcome. All right, everybody. That’s all the time we have for this episode. And I will see you next week.

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