Meet Your Personal Wing Woman

Kevin Anthony 0:11
Welcome to the Love Lab podcast a safe place to get real about sex. Whether you’re a man or woman, single or couple, this is the show for you.

Céline Remy 0:20
We are your hosts, Kevin Anthony and Céline Remy and we are here to guide you to go from good to amazing in the bedroom and beyond.

Kevin Anthony 0:27
Alright, welcome back to the Love Lab podcast. This is episode 218. And it is titled, meet your personal wing woman. All right, so today we have a guest who will be introduced in a moment, who is basically like the Will Smith character in hitch. And we’ll explain way more about what we mean by that later on.

Kevin Anthony 0:52
But if you’re a guy, and you’re listening, and you’re like, I don’t really know anything about style, or I don’t know what women want, or I don’t know how to put myself together in a way that would be attractive to them. And then, of course, so much more, you need to listen to this episode, because you are going to learn some of those things.

Kevin Anthony 1:11
And you’re going to find out how if you don’t, don’t have those skills, you can leverage somebody else to help you with those skills. So as a men’s coach, I see this a lot. I can’t say that I necessarily see men who come to me and say, I’m looking for this person to help me with this because I’m not sure that they even know that this exists.

Kevin Anthony 1:33
But what I do see is that they have no clue what it is a woman is actually looking for, you can tell, you can tell by the way they dress, you can tell by the way they present themselves in the way they show up there. They have no idea what it is a woman actually thinks is attractive. So I know there are a lot of guys out there that need help in this area.

Céline Remy 1:58
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Céline Remy 2:16
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Céline Remy 2:25
So I have to say, Celeste, our guest today, Celeste Moore has a really cool job. I usually think that sex coaches have the coolest job. But I have found somebody who has something just as fascinating. So Celeste Moore is basically a personal image dating consultant for men. As Kevin said, she’s like the female version of Will Smith, in which she gives them the confidence they need by helping them look and feel better about themselves. So they can step out of their comfort zone and into the arms of a compatible partner. So welcome, Celeste to the love life podcast.

Celeste Moore 3:08
Thank you so much for having me today. I’m excited to be here.

Kevin Anthony 3:14
Okay, so we got to start. In the beginning, as always, the logical place to start is the beginning and tell our audience what is a wing woman and who would need somebody like you.

Celeste Moore 3:30
So I like to take the phrase a little bit lighter as a wing woman, but I would do pretty much mostly Well, I guess I just love to use them as the movie reference for hitch because it really does describe a little bit about what I do. But let me tell you a little bit about that.

Celeste Moore 3:53
A person that would need my services maybe would be someone that’s really struggling to find the partner that they’re looking for. Maybe they’ve been on multiple dates, and they just keep having the same results. Maybe they have just been, you know, been they’ve been married for 15 years. They’re newly divorced. And I’m like, Well, what’s going on?

Celeste Moore 4:17
This is a completely different dating game when I was younger, right? I mean, we have all these apps and are just completely lost in that aspect. Men that maybe have been married to their poset excuse my profession. And just want to use a surgeon as an example because I’ve had a client who was in the hospital for 20 years and forgot how to talk to women.

Celeste Moore 4:42
So there are all different avenues of why people come to see me and how I can help them. And I start with their image, their mannerisms, we figure out where they are and where their goals are in the dating world. And what that looks like and I basically help them achieve their goals.

Kevin Anthony 5:02
And I think I recall, you can correct me if I’m wrong from the pre-interview when we spoke that you’re not just working with people in the dating industry, don’t you also work with people who are in long-term committed relationships? Maybe they’ve been married for many years? How would that work? Like if your guide listening, and you’re like, well, that’s not me. I’ve been married for 20 years, right? There is some work that you can do with those clients as well, correct?

Celeste Moore 5:26
Definitely. I do have married clients as well. And a few of the white though women, their wives have reached out to me and asked for my help, hey, can we get that spark back, my husband has lost all sense of style, you know, help him get his sexy back.

Celeste Moore 5:48
And we start, we start with him himself on how to regroup himself, maybe he’s aged over time and doesn’t know how to look at himself in the mirror anymore, and have that confidence, and let alone feeding his wife, where has that been, you know, everybody gets lost in and work and children and other things in life. And they forget about the importance of dating their wife again. So yeah,

Kevin Anthony 6:18
this, that’s such a great point, because it’s something that Céline And I talk about a lot, which is that just because you’ve been married for a long time, doesn’t mean the dating ever really stops. Right. And that’s part of the problem, right, as people get complacent. And they just get in the routines, especially if they spent, you know, 20 years raising kids, or whatever it is.

Kevin Anthony 6:37
And they forgot what it was like, to actually date this person, they become more, you know, people who basically are just cohabitating, or business partners, or whatever, and they kind of lose that part. And so, you know, we do definitely some of that work, although we focus more on the sexuality piece, but, and the energy parts. Yeah, but it’s really cool that somebody can be like, Hey, how about you view your relationship from the point of view of, you’re still dating? So even 20 years later,

Céline Remy 7:13
so I’m having this image in my head. So there are a lot of things that are coming up. But do you literally go through somebody’s closets and be like, to us keep maybe, you know, like do piles? Do you tell them which colors look good? Are we just looking at the physical appearance, then do we go into the mind you know?

Céline Remy 7:34
And then what about styles I personally find that skinny jeans on guys suck. It’s just not sexy. Man is not going to wear skinny jeans, with cowboy boots. These jeans just don’t cut it doesn’t mean I don’t want to have sex with a skinny jean guy.

Kevin Anthony 7:56
Just for the record. I am not wearing any skinny jeans, no.

Céline Remy 8:00
cowboy boots,

Kevin Anthony 8:02
boots, jeans. So it’s

Céline Remy 8:04
not just about what’s in fashion, either. Right? So that’s why I was asking you I love this question. I know threw a lot at you there.

Celeste Moore 8:11
Yeah, yeah. So we really start with it’s, it’s really a thorough process, we really sit down with you and talk about who you are as a person. I really don’t want to take away someone’s authentic self. But I just want to elevate it, I want them to know that there are other ways to make them elevated, bring out their confidence bring out so yes, we do a color analysis first.

Celeste Moore 8:37
Everybody based on their skin type hair color, and eye color, have certain colors that look best on them. So without trying without doing anything, it’s just going to highlight your features gonna bring out your eyes, it’s really going to focus on somebody’s face. And that’s what we’re really looking for. Right? When we’re dating.

Celeste Moore 8:59
We want to pay attention to that person and what’s what they’re saying and hopefully retain some of that information. And then yes, we do go based on their goals through their closet. It’s, let’s get rid of this. Let’s create capsules, let’s show you how to make multiple, you know, outfits out of a few pieces. And then we can personally shop, go through and see what’s needed to fill in those blanks.

Celeste Moore 9:29
And really, it is not just about the outer appearance it is a lot of nonverbal verbal communication as well. So body language that’s huge in the dating world, right? If a woman is saying, everything’s great, but her arms are closed off and her legs are closed off, it’s like no, listen to the body. Look at the body. What is that saying to you who don’t want

Kevin Anthony 9:53
Are those legs closed off?

Celeste Moore 9:57
Definitely not And so we work with that. And then we really sit down and figure out what has been going on in their dating world, right? What is happening? What are the things that we need to work on? And I coach them on one through that. But I also do mock dates. So we go through a process of having a date, he would go and make the plans just like if it was going to be a normal date. So I

Céline Remy 10:27
go to and they like takes you out or Texas, you like the way he would do it?

Celeste Moore 10:31
Exactly. So we figure out like, maybe there are some steps he’s missing. Maybe he just needs practice, you know, so it’s we kind of go through that whole process of he calls me to text me, let’s meet picks me up. At this point, he’s not picking me up.

Celeste Moore 10:47
But we’re meeting at the place and say it’s dinner, just for example, and I’m seeing how he’s talking to me if he’s pulling the chair out if you know, so, I’m looking at not just dating etiquette, but dining etiquette. You know, how is he What is he doing? Does? Is he chivalrous? Or is he listening? Is he talking too much? Is he you know,

Céline Remy 11:12
do you have the right notes?

Celeste Moore 11:15
I know it’s all in my head.

Kevin Anthony 11:17
Yeah, you just have to have a good memory because I imagine there are a lot of things to make note of when you go on one of these, by the

Céline Remy 11:24
way, I want our listeners to really listen like she just in passing said, you know, is he pulling the chair opening the door like these things really matter

Kevin Anthony 11:32
what not only do they really matter but here’s something guys need to understand is that when a guy hires you to do this, he understands that’s what you’re doing. However, when a guy goes on a regular date, what he doesn’t understand is that the date he’s on is doing the exact same thing.

Kevin Anthony 11:51
She is looking at everything that he’s doing. Did he say the right thing? Did he pull the chair out? Did he you know, ask me did he order without asking like all those little details she’s paying attention to?

Céline Remy 12:04
So very much so that mug dating is really cool because it’s definitely not something that I think many people offer. So you have a very unique angle there. And then it’s really like, you get to see what’s going on. You know, it’s kind of similar to when I work with clients, those that are open, and literally do masturbation coaching. And it’s one thing to have them tell me like, oh, how do they do it? It’s another thing when I get to watch and be like, Okay, no, no, no. Let’s rewind the galactic right. And it feels like it’s kind of similar in that way.

Kevin Anthony 12:43
Yeah. And so we’ve done something similar in a lot of different ways where, you know, if we’re just simply teaching somebody, like a couple how to touch each other. It’s like, okay, here, do it now. Yeah. And then you watch how they touch each other. And it’s like, you tell the guy, okay, now, now gently massage her in the way that she would enjoy.

Kevin Anthony 13:01
And then they’re over there, like kneading bread. Right, you know, because they have no idea how to touch and literally right up into like having sex like, what does it look like when you actually have sex? And where can we find the thing? So it’s a fantastic strategy, because one of the things that we noticed, and I’m sure you notice the same thing is that there’s often a little bit of a dip to that a little bit of a difference between what they tell us they’re doing and what they’re actually doing.

Kevin Anthony 13:30
So when we can see it, then it’s like, Uh huh, okay, you know, because they’ll often be presented like, Well, yeah, I said this, or I did this, or I’m really good at that. And I’m really paying attention to this, right? And then you watch them and you’re like, Oh,

Céline Remy 13:45
yes, that mug date must be nerve-racking for your clients.

Celeste Moore 13:51
You know, I really try to just like That’s why I don’t have a clipboard. This is why I’m not. But yeah, it is. And it’s also an easy way right to mess up without me being like, Oh, this is the last chance. Because first impressions really are lasting. And I know. Look, we meet all different types of people in different situations.

Celeste Moore 14:15
But if you’re prepared and you feel confident, and you’re like, Okay, I got this I have enough practice or I have enough, you know, know how then it’s better with me to mess up than with them, right? Because

Kevin Anthony 14:28
you know, from my point of view, as the only guy in the conversation usually we have these types of conversations and you’re the only woman in the conversation so I’m like, it’s turned around this stuff. As the only guy in the conversation, I can honestly say, Holy shit, I would love to have like all of those things. Just like tell me everything I’m fucking up right now.

Kevin Anthony 14:50
Get it over with right that you how much time and money that could potentially save you. Like yeah, it would be nerve-racking to a point Because nobody likes to hear criticism of themselves. And yet at the same time, I’m like, give me the damn playbook. Like, tell me, it just tells me all this stuff to do.

Kevin Anthony 15:10
But I also want to make one more comment about something you said way at the beginning of this sort of segment that we’re talking about, which is that you’re this is not about teaching guys how to put on an act, or how to pretend what you said was, you didn’t want to change who they are, you just wanted to enhance it. And so I think that’s an important point to bring out.

Kevin Anthony 15:33
Because, you know, if your guy listening to me, like, oh, then I got to remember this. And then I got to try to be this and think that blind 47, right. It’s not about pretending to be somebody who you aren’t, it’s about taking who you are, and making you the best version of yourself that you can be.

Celeste Moore 15:50
Exactly. And I really try to explain that to guys, when they do come to me, because, you know, a lot of my clients don’t want to tell anyone, I’ve seen an image consultant or dating coach, right? And that’s okay, like, I’m very discreet. I have a lot of those types of clients. But it’s also letting them know coming to me, it’s okay, I’m not trying to change them.

Celeste Moore 16:13
I’m not trying to, I’m just explaining how to be the best version of yourself, how to what we need to work on to actually get the type of partner you’re looking for. It’s not always marriage, right? It’s not always very cookie-cutter. So the more authentic somebody is, the more attractive that they’re going to attract that person to them.

Kevin Anthony 16:37
You know, I learned one of these lessons really early on, I don’t even know how old I was maybe 20 years, the early 20s, probably. And I brought my girlfriend at the time shopping with me. And she was like, you know, holding all Yeah, this looks really good on your eyes.

Kevin Anthony 16:53
And this looks, and I learned in that very moment, to really never pick out clothes for them. Because it made all the difference about now. So then you can vouch for me, I’m actually pretty good at picking out my own clothes, right? I picked out this shirt. But I really appreciate and I realized early on the value of having somebody I mean, it helps if it’s somebody that you know, is a female, or is even your partner because then she’ll help pick things that she’s already attracted to.

Kevin Anthony 17:23
But just having that third, that sort of outside perspective, right? Because it’s always hard to see yourself. Right. And like there’s behaviors we do and things that we do that we don’t really see because it’s us, but having somebody standing, you know, outside of that and looking back and reflecting on you is always helpful.

Céline Remy 17:41
So, I’m going to tell you a little bit because we know something about you, Celeste that maybe people don’t know about. And you actually in the past have done some exotic dancing. And yeah, so many things, you know, from like the dating stuff matchmaking image consulted. I mean, you have a very,

Kevin Anthony 18:05
and it’s all applicable. That’s the point. The point is, if we want to establish your credibility as an expert in this, we want you to describe to people how did you come to this level of knowledge. I mean, obviously, by being a female, you’ve got some of it right away, because you know what women like, or at least what you like, as a woman. But even more than that, you’ve got this background that taught you a lot. So tell us about that.

Celeste Moore 18:31
Yeah, so I was in college, and I was living in Las Vegas. So of all places, exotic dancing, stripping, whatever you want to call it is very common and natural there. And I actually was going through a divorce. And so I was married very young, too young. So I wouldn’t recommend that. And less kind of like, oh shit, what am I going to do for money, like, just kind of, and I had just gone to a strip club with my husband a few times. And it was a very new thing for me.

Celeste Moore 19:10
And I had met some girl there that we became acquaintances. And I reached out to her and said, you know, let’s let me get a job here. So long story short, I ended up dancing through college. I would say my last two, three years in school, and it really gave me a different perspective on how men think how they’re turned on how, you know, just that just the male specie and the whole sexual attraction and it was very, I learned a lot. I learned a lot about how men think.

Celeste Moore 19:52
And based on that, how to, you know, somewhat manipulate and this was an obvious See a way to get money then. But so I graduated college and knew that I wasn’t gonna go to law school. So I started looking at all the other passions that I love to do and just was natural at and became a certified matchmaker. And then I became a certified image consultant.

Celeste Moore 20:22
And just kind of started from there, I had men and women clientele at the time, but I really kind of was drawn to the men clients because they were just easier. I told them what to do, and they did it. And the results were great. That was just my experience. And so I’ve worked in that industry for over 15 years. And now I’m starting the last year and a half to really coach them.

Celeste Moore 20:51
Because there’s such a lack of communication between men and women, there’s just this lack, there’s a disconnect. And if I can help in any way, create that, so that they can find their compatible, who whomever that is in their life, and it makes me feel amazing.

Kevin Anthony 21:11
So I want to go back to the dancing part just a little bit here. Because, you know, one of the things you indicated was like, Okay, you learned how to turn men on what they like, what they don’t like, maybe a little bit how to manipulate them, but, but what you also learned from that is you see a lot of men coming in and out night after night at these clubs. And, you know, I’ve known a few dancers in my time.

Kevin Anthony 21:39
Yeah. And one of the things they always tell me is like, any, any woman who’s a dancer will tell you that sometimes they are attracted to clients that come in, I mean, it just happens, right? I mean, that’s just natural. But the thing is, is that having so many men come and go, throughout the course of that work, you start to really see which ones you like, and which ones you’re completely repulsed by.

Kevin Anthony 22:06
And so, you know, it’s the thing is when most people date, especially if they get married young, they’ve only had a few, you know, partners, or a few dates here or there, they haven’t really seen that many men. So a lot of times women will say, they don’t even necessarily know what they like, what they want, or what they’re attracted to. And they gotta kind of go through that process to figure it out.

Kevin Anthony 22:25
But you kind of sped that process up significantly, by being in that industry, because you started alert. Oh, the guys that I’m actually attracted to when they come in, are the guys that look like this or act like that, or say these things or do this thing, right? So you’re able to probably I assume compile a rather large database of little, little tidbits of like, oh, yeah, when they come in and do that, that’s really the thing.

Céline Remy 22:51
Like this client. Why? You know, yeah,

Celeste Moore 22:55
definitely. That was that’s a great point. Because, yeah, that’s where it started for me. I mean, I dated when I was younger, and obviously had a very young marriage. A quick a quick one. But yeah, before that, I was naive. I didn’t understand the relationships between men and women as much or the number of visuals, and visual stimulation men need.

Kevin Anthony 23:27
We do enjoy the visual stimulation. So yes, you know, I don’t want to spend too much time like harping on your credentials and stuff. But I did find it really interesting the mix of stuff, right, because we already talked about the dancing thing and the benefits that had, but then you also you were into matchmaking.

Kevin Anthony 23:44
So when it comes to helping people find the one or whatever they’re looking for, you actually literally did matchmaking for a living. And then on top of that, you also did the image consulting, so I just find it, I don’t know that I’ve ever met anybody else that had that unique combination of background.

Céline Remy 24:02
So I want to hear your stories because maybe you could, I don’t know if you have like a typical guy, an example of a client you work with, and kind of maybe like what you did for him how things shifted. And it looked like is it like, in three days is a different man, you know, I know it’s not that. I know, it’s we all know that we do coaching but today I’m trying to say that,

Celeste Moore 24:28
ya know, it’s good because some of my clients catch on a lot faster and some take a little bit longer and that’s okay, too. So there’s no right or wrong. But I have a really, you know, it is a transformation. It is a process just like like you said, but I had a client who when we first started to go shopping for his wardrobe, couldn’t even look at himself in the mirror trying on an outfit. A page like okay, if you say it works whatever and he was just, but he couldn’t look at himself.

Celeste Moore 25:02
I said, look at yourself, I want you to see what this looks like, if it feels good, what kind of reaction are we having? And that was it was very, like whatever you want. And then it was about a year later when we had gone on another trip shopping trip. And he actually looked at himself. To me, it wasn’t like sitting there for a long time adoring himself, but he could look at himself.

Celeste Moore 25:26
And this guy, just so you know, top dog, huge firm, you know, owns part of the company is very successful in his career. And but with himself, he didn’t feel that he was I don’t know if it was sexy, or just that there was any kind of Yeah, worthy, that would, that’s a huge one. And so just at that moment, I was just like, wow, okay, that makes everything worth it. And I know, it was just a little moment like that.

Celeste Moore 25:58
But so that was one example. And then I have guys that like, you know, don’t just do a three to six-month process. They either do like a boot camp or they do some, like a longer kind of situation where, you know, twice a year, we’ll go shopping and just kind of re-edit pieces kind of coach them a little bit if they need.

Celeste Moore 26:19
So it’s just like a refresher. But yeah, it’s really, it’s really interesting to see them really gain that confidence back, that just makes everything worth it so that they’re just out there killing it.

Kevin Anthony 26:31
I think a lot of people have an assumption that just because somebody is successful or wealthy, they also have the confidence that they don’t have insecurities that they don’t have, they don’t have those psychological, I’m not good enough things that so many people have.

Kevin Anthony 26:48
And that’s a really big misconception. And, in fact, one of the things that drive so many of those successful people is the fact that they do feel insecure and have self-doubt, and don’t feel worthy. And so they’re constantly trying to prove it by doing things like being successful. So, you know, if you are one of those guys, and you are successful, you know, realize that there may be other areas in your life where you could use some help,

Kevin Anthony 27:15
whether that’s sex coaching, or that’s Image Consulting, like, you’ve got the resources, if you have needs, just hire somebody to help you with the parts that you don’t know. And let’s say you’re not a particularly wealthy person, and you’re listening to this and you’re thinking, Man, those wealthy guys got it all. No, no, they don’t. They’re struggling with all the same stuff you are they just have more money than you do.

Celeste Moore 27:39
Basically, we’re all human, and we all have our insecurities. We all have things that we go through in life that maybe we’re not, you know like you said, we might be great at something, but not this. So.

Céline Remy 27:51
So let’s say, before giving you the ads, Celeste, let’s say we have clients or listeners here and they’re like, Well, I’m not in the welfare category. But what can I do right now maybe like free quick styling tips or something they could take away, I’d be like, okay, to at least get started until they can work with you.

Celeste Moore 28:16
I would say if you’re not sure about what the right colors are for you and you’re going on a date, or just a job interview or whatever, stick with your eye color. That’s always great just easy ease. You know, you can you can’t go wrong. It’ll just draw out your eyes and a little bit more focused.

Celeste Moore 28:37
And just make sure your clothes fit well. Right? Not too tight, like the skinny jeans. Not too big. So swallowing you up, it’s making you look, you know, just make sure that it fits your body tight and keep authentic to yourself, right? Really Know what your style is. Everybody has a style. So if you don’t know what that is, I’d be glad to help.

Kevin Anthony 29:01
The eye color thing is for sure. Now, you know I have so many bluish-type things in my wardrobe. I’m wearing green. That’s right. This isn’t blue, but it still complements the eyes it’s close enough.

Céline Remy 29:15
Good job, Kevin.

Kevin Anthony 29:17
There was something else you said in that too. It was the eye color fitting the fitted clothes part. Yeah, that is absolutely huge. That makes all the difference in the world. I unfortunately am in this category of people where nothing on a rack actually fits me. It just doesn’t. That’s so common.

Céline Remy 29:36
He’s just sexy into fits. That’s a big problem.

Kevin Anthony 29:40
The problem is I have the body of people in the 1970s but we’re in the 2020s and all the clothes they make are just for people with completely different shapes than I have.

Celeste Moore 29:55
Just sorry, just on that note really many people are not off the rack, they’re all the Fit models for all the designers constantly changing. And so if one, you’re like, this was the this was the brand for me. And now it’s not the brand, just know that find the best tailor around you invest in a tailor.

Kevin Anthony 30:16
There you go well. So that’s exactly what I’ve learned, I have learned to you know, buy things that are pretty darn close. And then it doesn’t cost too much to have them just take it in a little bit here or there.

Kevin Anthony 30:29
And then the other thing I have discovered, and this is a good tip I think for guys who maybe can’t afford to go to the tailor and have all their clothes custom made for them. There is now with technology, there are all of these online tailors where you can literally go and choose all the styles, you give them all your measurements and they make it and just send it to you. So

Céline Remy 30:50
you got a pair of jeans that got them done this way to talk about those jeans because you’d

Kevin Anthony 30:56
have worn them today I could show you.

Céline Remy 30:59
So Kevin is fit. He’s got tiny butts, and nice legs, but he like can’t find pants that really work because he does exercise. So if he wears something too skinny, like it doesn’t fit, his gaps are too big and all of that. So finally, he gets these jeans that are custom-made. And it’s a very different fit.

Céline Remy 31:22
But it’s like it shows him but just everything and it goes with boots. And it’s like every time he wears the jeans, I just want to grab him and touch him for like a year now. And it’s like I still like can’t help but like, want to touch want to feel and be right there and it changed everything. Like his sweaters look different. The shirt just because now the genes are perfect. And it was a simple challenge.

Kevin Anthony 31:52
Yeah, and it wasn’t actually that expensive either. You know, but it made all the difference and that was worth every penny because you keep grabbing my ass so

Celeste Moore 32:01
yes, that’s why it’s so important especially when you’re on a date where the clothes that show off your best assets

Kevin Anthony 32:10
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Kevin Anthony 32:30
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Kevin Anthony 32:49
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Kevin Anthony 33:08
I think that the areas that I work on in the areas that Celeste works on would actually make a really great fit. So So lets you can get them all dialed in on the looks and the dating and all those details. And then that will get them into the bedroom and then I’ll help them once they get into the bedroom.

Céline Remy 33:32
I love it. So I love stories that are my favorites. Tell us do you have any horror stories from those mock dates, maybe something? Well, what

Celeste Moore 33:44
I consider horror stories, maybe not other people would but one mock date a gentleman that I was we’re on this date and he was he’d been married for 20 years. So this was very new to him. You know he was a gentleman who opened the door. But when we actually got our food, he literally shoveled his food in his mouth like he was at a trough. I was like you’re kidding.

Celeste Moore 34:14
I mean there was no conversation it was just he ate in like 15 minutes and it was just constantly that he didn’t even put his fork or his knife down. And it was just like and to me that’s horrified because I don’t know maybe it’s just manners for me. Maybe it’s just like, I don’t know, we’re here on a date. We’re here to talk like put your food down. Maybe take a bite but doubt it was just I’m not on a date with an animal. You know, I just felt very weird with that one.

Kevin Anthony 34:49
Well, but that’s a good point to bring up right you kind of made a joke like I’m not on a date with an animal, right? Which is that like, these are little things that guys often don’t think about. They don’t think about oh Yeah, I kind of actually looked like I was a horse at the trough who was starving, right? And again, you know, like, if you’re a guy, you’re like, Oh, great.

Kevin Anthony 35:09
Now I gotta watch the way I eat. And I got to slow down and stuff like, you’re on a date. Like, there’s a difference between coming home from the gym and being starving, and you just need to eat and you eat real fast, and I’m out on a day at a nice restaurant with somebody having a conversation, they’re totally different scenarios. So don’t think you have to completely like, watch every bite every time you eat. But in certain circumstances, that would be a good idea.

Céline Remy 35:36
So do you have maybe a top 10 mistakes that people make? That you like they should avoid? Really, when it comes to? Yeah,

Celeste Moore 35:44
I would say, I mean, I know people get nervous, right? So maybe people fidget a lot or over, over speak. But I would say I think talking too much, is a really big one. You know, we really need to like, listen to 80% Talk 20. And especially the guys and I’ll say this, the reason why. Okay, and I know, maybe I’m not trying to be not fair, but women are, let’s see having a really good set of questions, unique questions for her.

Celeste Moore 36:22
So you’re still engaged, and you’re still talking? Right? You’re still getting to know each other. Women like to talk, you know, women like to tell stories. And that’s, that’s kind of what we do. And I think it’s really paramount for a man to really listen and really listen.

Celeste Moore 36:39
Like, I know that like, you know, she looks hot, like I’m thinking about getting her home, like how can I get her? You know, my Can I kiss her at night, you know, all these things are probably going through said, just relax, have fun, and ask some great questions. But listen,

Kevin Anthony 36:53
yeah, that’s a really good point. We actually had a friend tell us not too long ago, she’s dating and she was on a couple of dates with the same guy. And one of the things that she said there was, I know everything about his life, and he knows nothing about me. No, because he’s just talking, talking, talking, constantly talking about himself.

Kevin Anthony 37:12
And I do get it from a guy’s point of view, like they’re nervous, especially if they’re successful there, they get excited, they want to share their success, especially a lot of guys realize that women can, can be attracted or turned on by that type of success. And so they want to share a lot of it.

Kevin Anthony 37:28
But the tip is like, just slow down through it in little chunks, and make sure that you give them the space to also share. This is basically you’re both supposed to get to know each other, not just one person getting to know the other.

Celeste Moore 37:42
Yeah. And it builds mystery, right? If I know everything about you in 10 minutes, why do I want to go on another date with you?

Kevin Anthony 37:51
You probably know not all that interesting, either. If you can tell everybody if you can tell somebody everything about yourself in 10 minutes, you are not a particularly interesting individual.

Céline Remy 38:03
What are the air tickets when you’re on the dates? Do you sit next to one another? So you get to touch? Do you sit in front facing each other? So you get to look at each other’s eyes? Or do you both sit and like look at the sunsets? Like, what’s the

Kevin Anthony 38:22
what date? Are we on a first date?

Celeste Moore 38:23
Yeah, the first date, definitely, you want to look at each other, you really want to see each other, like really pay attention and get some good eye contact. That’s why wearing the right colors and wearing the proper attire is going to not you know, it’s not going to distract me.

Celeste Moore 38:43
So I want to be able to listen to you a little bit more now for on day three, day four, we sit next to each other have a little, you know, touching, you know, I mean, obviously for on three or four then this is going well. Right? Hopefully, we’ve had a kiss hopefully. So we’re touching each other. Yeah. But the first date was definitely set not too far apart. But just you know, so you’re able to engage something that’s like, maybe a restaurant that’s not so loud.

Celeste Moore 39:11
Or maybe actually I prefer restaurant dates to be date number to date number one, I really recommend an adventurous date. So do some kind of activity doesn’t have to be super adventurous but do some type of activity. So it breaks the ice a little bit, kind of get to know that person on a different level. And if it goes well the second date should be dinner. Yeah, see,

Kevin Anthony 39:39
this is fantastic advice guys who are listening in the dating world. Make sure you’re taking notes here yet because we do see that right but people will go out on dates in these busy loud restaurants and you can barely have a conversation. You go into some of these places.

Kevin Anthony 39:55
And the music is so loud you can barely hear the waiter you’re like yelling your order and they’re standing And right in front of you, you know? Yeah, not a good way to connect and have a conversation. Definitely not.

Céline Remy 40:06
So if a man realizes that he’s not good at this dating thing, okay? No, he’s on his own. Right now, like, what would your first piece of advice be?

Celeste Moore 40:20
Sorry, if he’s alone.

Céline Remy 40:23
Right now, like, he’s like, Okay, I’m on my own, I suck at predicting, okay, what, what do I do? What’s the first piece of advice?

Celeste Moore 40:31
the first piece of advice is to constantly work on yourself, right? There’s some type of level with emotional intelligence, right? The more we learn about ourselves, the better we are, to attract who we want to attract in our lives.

Celeste Moore 40:46
So maybe sit down and really have a deeply honest conversation with yourself or a best friend or family member that you can really be honest with, and maybe get some advice or feedback or, I don’t know, kind of like self-reflection is really important. Because if, and also really getting honest and open about who you want to meet, right, and really defining that maybe it’s as easy as writing it down.

Celeste Moore 41:16
And what’s important, I always say life goals and life values, everything else can be different, right? hobbies, interests, sports, friends, and even. But if you have the same life values and life goals, as that other person, you’re going to be in the right direction.

Céline Remy 41:35
Yeah, I think that clarity about who you want to attract is huge. We work on that with our clients too. And it’s like, we have an exercise we take through, we take them through. And I always tell them, like if you don’t know what you want, how you going to attract it.

Céline Remy 41:53
And then sometimes you also really see the gap between who they want, and then who they are. And it’s like, that woman is never going to date this guy. So we’re going to do some work. So you can become the guy that this particular woman you want, can start to look at him.

Celeste Moore 42:12
Exactly. And you nailed that

Kevin Anthony 42:15
I’m always amazed at how many guys never really asked that question like that. So the question is, what type of man would you have to be to get that woman? Right? And I’m always amazed at how many guys don’t ask themselves that question. Like, I mean, if we had to assign numbers and just, you know, to create the visualization, it’s like, they’re sitting there at like a four, and they’re trying to get a 10, you know, and it’s like, Wait a minute.

Kevin Anthony 42:43
There’s, there’s a mismatch here, right? Like, how can you get yourself fired? Maybe not everybody can be a 10. But if you’re down at a four, you can probably get yourself to a six or seven pretty easily just by doing the types of things you help men with. Right? So like, I’m just always amazed. They don’t ask themselves that question. Like there’s this, this lack of reality in their assessment of where they’re at and where they want to be.

Celeste Moore 43:08
Yeah, even for me, I still have this big question. Why do you guys on that note, right? If you said he thinks he’s like, maybe he’s a four. But why do men always think they’re like, eight or nine?

Celeste Moore 43:21
And I’m just I know, this is bad. This is gonna sound terrible. Maybe they’re four and a woman that’s probably an eight but she thinks of herself as a four. Oh, yes. There’s this man is very more there’s so much, like overly confident and who they are. And we’re underconfident. That’s crazy. I see it over and over and over and over artist

Céline Remy 43:46
I don’t know if it’s because nobody ever tells the guy’s really that he’s full of shit. Well, pretty blunt. And kind of to mean we pretty much from the day we born we like being told like don’t be too beautiful there. So we kind of learned those things. Well ever guys, like being propped up like be the dude or like,

Kevin Anthony 44:10
there’s there are many potential reasons for there that I’m not discounting anything that you said. Because that’s true. A lot of the negative programming that women get, but I think too, that in life in general, like women, there’s a lot more focus on their beauty, and how they show up where there’s a lot less focus on that for men, for men focuses more on like, success and financial wealth and that sort of thing.

Kevin Anthony 44:35
And so, yeah, man, it’s just like, Yeah, I’m the shit because I got whatever, you know, the Rolex, whatever it is, you know, and, and women are like, but she’s got better hair than I do. So could both learn from that both men and women, not to overestimate women not to underestimate

Celeste Moore 44:57
let’s change our programming right?

Céline Remy 45:00
So before we get to our last question, Celeste how can our listeners connect with you? Where can they find out more about you?

Celeste Moore 45:08
Definitely. You can find me on my website. It’s Celeste more.com. And I’m on Instagram at Celeste more image and LinkedIn. I think it’s just the last more yes the last more. And also, I do have a podcast that’s every other week. It’s called the down and dirty podcasts.

Celeste Moore 45:32
Celeste more and so this is a very fun avenue so that we can talk about all that fun stuff like you know, sex questions or talk about things that may be in a normal dating coaching session are gonna be uncomfortable. So anything that’s image-related dating and related relationships, it’s all there.

Céline Remy 45:54
All right, well, the link will be in the description below as well but Celeste more it is. So Celeste, what is your best sexual talent?

Celeste Moore 46:03
Whoo. I like this. I want to say seduction. Right. I think I’ve mastered it. I can’t say that. Not with you guys. But yeah, that’s probably my favorite most natural thing that I’ve learned about myself over the years. So

Kevin Anthony 46:27
So Celeste was just talking about how women should not underestimate exactly, I own it, own it, mastered the art of seduction. Good for you. Hey, that’s a great skill to have that can get you too far.

Celeste Moore 46:45
All right. Thank you so much. You’re welcome.

Kevin Anthony 46:50
Well, there you have it, guys, you just got a whole bunch of great advice. Even if you don’t have the resources or you don’t feel you need to hire somebody like Celeste, you still got great dating advice on what you should do, what you shouldn’t do things that you should look for.

Kevin Anthony 47:08
And again, if you need help with that, definitely reach out to Celeste. And once you have mastered all of that, and the women start showing up in your bed and you need help there, then you need to come looking for Celine and me. In fact, you should probably come to us before you get into that bedroom so you don’t flop and then lose that person.

Kevin Anthony 47:29
So work on it all at the same time. All right, everybody. Well, first of all, before I say goodbye, I want to thank you, Celeste, for being on the show and sharing all of your advice.

Celeste Moore 47:40
Thank you so much for having me. You guys are amazing. And I love what you do. So it’s a good combination today.

Kevin Anthony 47:48
All right, everybody. That’s all the time we have for this episode. And we will see you next week. We hope you liked this episode of the Love Lab podcast. If you enjoy this show, subscribe. Leave us a review and share it with your friends.

Céline Remy 48:05
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Kevin Anthony 48:19
Thanks for listening. And remember,

Céline Remy 48:21
you’re amazing