How To Fix A Sexless Marriage

Kevin Anthony 0:12
Welcome to the Love Lab Podcast, a safe place to get real about sex. Whether you’re a man, woman single or couple, this is the show for you. Because well, sex matters. We are your hosts Kevin Anthony and Céline Remy.

Kevin Anthony 0:27
All right. Welcome back to the love lab podcast. This is Episode 83. And it’s titled How to fix a sexless marriage. So this is going to be fun. And I think it’s going to be fun for a lot of reasons. One, of course, a lot of people actually have this problem. So they’re going to be very interested in knowing how to fix this. But to one of the things that you mentioned, Celine was that neither you nor I have ever actually been in a sexless marriage. And so I think it’s gonna be really fascinating for us to sort of see a different perspective than we’ve personally experienced.

Céline Remy 1:01
Yes, absolutely. So we found a guest who has some experience and not only does she have experienced she has solutions do for you. So we are super excited today because we have Candice Smith that is here with us today.

Céline Remy 1:15
Candice is an award-winning Harvard educated couples intimacy consultant specializing in intimate communication. She co-founded Two to Tango with her love and partner, Luke and created Sex Experiential learning, a new kind of sex education for adults with a hands-on pleasure-based curriculum in a box. That is juicy, that is sexy, and I’m super excited to welcome Candice to the show.

Candice Smith 1:44
Thank you so much for having me. I’m so excited to be here.

Céline Remy 1:48
Yes. Well, Candice, so we kind of went on your site, we looked around and we learned that you used to have bad sex when you grew up and did you didn’t know how to advocate for your pleasure. Basically, now you have this company and you help people have better sex, deeper intimacy. This got us so curious because we’re like, how do you go from one place to the other? And we want to take you all on a journey to understand

Kevin Anthony 2:20
We’re going back to the beginning to the root of how this all happened. So and I think your story from when you were younger is probably the story that most of us had. Right? So in your video, when you’re introducing Tango and sort of saying how you came up with this, one of the things you say is that, as a young person growing up, you didn’t really have any sex education.

Kevin Anthony 2:43
And so we’ve all had various levels of that, like, I didn’t really have any sex education, either. But Celine growing up in Europe actually did have sex education. So I’m curious. What was your sex education like growing up? What were you told who told it to you? Where did you get this stuff?

Candice Smith 3:01
Yeah, well, it was a don’t ask don’t tell policy at home. Nobody wanted to talk about sex and not really healthy intimacy, either. I think I was a child of divorced parents. There were a lot of divorced family members living in my family. So I really didn’t get the chance to see what healthy romantic intimacy looked like growing up, as well as sex.

Candice Smith 3:29
So when I saw I was in a private school, very, very smaller class size was about 20 kids in total. When I went to public school, that was really where I think it was the eighth grade I went, I went to public school, and started making new friends. And that was really where I was exposed to some of these conversations about sex and sexuality, but it was really based around peer conversations.

Candice Smith 3:58
So conversations with girlfriends, you know, have you kissed a guy? And, you know, what is that like? What are the expectations? And what are the faces and all of those things? Then, of course, the internet, discovering pornography and learning a little bit more there and starting to kind of download these different messages around what sex was supposed to be, and how I was supposed to perform as a woman or as a girl, sexually.

Kevin Anthony 4:29
So Candice, it really sounds like the experience you had growing up was very similar to what I had because I went to a very small school, originally a class size of like, 20 people, it was basically forbidden to talk about sex there. And then I went to public school afterward, and it was like a whole other world. But I think as you probably realized, that’s about the worst place to learn your sex education.

Candice Smith 5:01
Absolutely.

Kevin Anthony 5:03
So okay, so obviously you didn’t learn a lot in school and growing up. So let’s maybe jump one more step ahead. Now you’re a young adult, how did this lack of education affect your early sexual experiences?

Candice Smith 5:20
Well, I think one of the biggest messages that I learned was that pleasure, my pleasure, was shameful. It wasn’t good to talk about masturbation. Right? masturbation was a shameful thing. It’s something that people would laugh at. I always had to worry about how I looked. I always had to worry about how I sounded, I had to make sure that my partner’s pleasure came first. So getting some of these messages about pleasure and getting some of these messages that you know, I’ll give you an example.

Kevin Anthony 6:10
Oh, yes, please do.

Candice Smith 6:13
If a guy, if you turn a guy on, it’s my responsibility to make sure that he has an orgasm. Because if a guy is turned on, and he doesn’t have an orgasm, he’s going to get blue balls, and he’s going to be in pain. And so I don’t want to be responsible for a guy being in pain. I have to make sure that I take care of that.

Kevin Anthony 6:35
Yeah.

Candice Smith 6:36
That being an expectation. I then whether I was in the mood or not, if I was with a partner, and I knew that they were turned on, I knew that I was going to have to follow through even if I was just teasing or flirting. If he got turned on, it was then my responsibility to make sure whether I was in the mood or not that he would orgasm.

Céline Remy 7:00
And that puts a lot of pressure, right? I mean, it kind of takes the fun out of sex or kind of removes some of the desire for it.

Candice Smith 7:09
Yes. Oh, absolutely. I mean, it set me up pretty early on to feel like I had to perform. It’s like I was constantly being judged for my performance. I was constantly being judged for how I sounded. It was always this feeling that I had to give pleasure and never receive pleasure. And I don’t and obviously, at that time, I wasn’t conceptualizing it like this, like in terms of like my giving and receiving pleasure, but it was really just a matter of, is he feeling good? Did he finish? Those were my goals.

Candice Smith 7:40
And those are the standards that I set for whether or not I was doing a good job, right, sex became a job. And it became something that I had to do well and I had to perform well to make sure that my partner was happy. So in things, thinking about those things and in prioritizing those things. Pleasure became very prioritized for me. My own experience, my own receiving of pleasure became something that I would just kind of push away. You know, if a guy wanted to go down on me, I would say no, no, you’re fine. Don’t worry about it. What are you going to get out of that anyway?

Candice Smith 8:17
You won’t be getting any enjoyment out of that. So if you don’t get enjoyment out of that, there’s no reason I mean, you and I are just going to be sitting there waiting for me to orgasm, which who knows if that’s going to happen? Then I’m I’m just laying there thinking, well, how much time is past? Three minutes? Is that too long? Five minutes. Is that too long? Am I making the right noises to make him feel like he’s doing a good job? Am I am I doing the right things? Maybe it’s too long. Now. Maybe he’s getting bored of this. Maybe his tongue is getting tired.

Candice Smith 8:50
Okay, I’m just going to fake it. Now. I’m going to fake it right now. And hopefully, I do the convincing noises and the condensing sounds to make sure that he’s okay with it. And that’s become my sexual experience.

Céline Remy 9:01
Wow

Kevin Anthony 9:02
Yeah and so you know the example that you just brought up is a big one and if anybody’s listened to this show long enough you know that one of the number one things that we teach people is exactly not that like don’t do what I mean by that is that whole idea that just because you got turned on, especially as a guy Oh, you got a boner for some reason now you have to finish there’s a whole bunch of reasons why that’s absolutely 100% wrong. But I’ll give you just one for the guys that are listening.

Kevin Anthony 9:35
That might change your idea about that, which is whatever pleasure you receive from that three to five minutes that whole scenario that was just going on in canvases head. That is nothing compared to the pleasure you could experience if you were to delay that gratification and take the experience into a much longer, much better experience. Right. So she should not be trying to get you off as quickly as she can. That’s not really her responsibility and, and you should be enjoying the process of it all.

Céline Remy 10:10
The process of pleasuring her. So I want to put something into the timeframe here. So I’m imagining that we talking about kind of the early on years of your sexual life here. And how does that kind of fit with you going to Harvard? Like, how do you go study sexuality have a degree in Harvard when basically you’re having bad sex? Like I’m kind of like trying to figure that one out.

Kevin Anthony 10:37
So if sex wasn’t that good? What made you decide to go to study sex?

Céline Remy 10:40
Usually, people don’t do that, you know, they will turn on porn or they’ll I don’t know they’ll do something that they won’t go to Harvard. That’s for sure.

Candice Smith 10:50
Yeah, no, it’s a great question. It’s something that I get pretty often so something that I’m still getting used to talking about, and I think it’s It’s obviously, you know, these are the times to start having more of these conversations. But in my, in my earliest sexual experiences, not knowing how to advocate for my pleasure not knowing how to advocate for my yeses or my nose, because I didn’t know what I wanted. And I expected my partner to lead. I was sexually assaulted in high school. And so it’s something that I don’t talk about as much.

Candice Smith 11:27
But it shook me very deeply because even in my initial conceptualization of that experience, I thought I thought it was my fault. You know, I thought that I was asking for it. I thought that I led him on. And, you know, I had found him attractive. And so that experience, I thought that that was, even though I was not necessarily a willing participant. I told myself that I had brought that on I had invited it. And so when I ended up going to Harvard, you know, I was still kind of struggling with this. I had told no one I told absolutely nobody about what happened.

Candice Smith 12:15
And in going to school, I happen to find an introduction to women, Gender and Sexuality Studies. And I said, you know, this might be an interesting course to take, I don’t know what it’s about. I’ve never heard of this. And what I ended up learning in that initial introductory class, changed my life. It changed the way that I look at the world. It changed the way that I understood my silence the way that I understood consent and power dynamics and relationships and that was really where I just dove in I said, You know what, I want to learn this more and my family was like, oh god, no

Kevin Anthony 13:01
You’re going to Harvard do something like becoming a lawyer come on now.

Candice Smith 13:08
And I was like, No, I found I found my purpose. I don’t know what it is yet, but I but this is calling to me. And so I continue to take more classes and focusing on Sexuality Studies, specifically. That’s really where I fell more into this field. But I will say though, even in taking Sexuality Studies, you know, there there are misconceptions when people hear that word.

Candice Smith 13:36
They think, Oh, well have you did you go to school to Harvard to learn how to give a better blowjob or that or something and it really had nothing to do with that it really was about the theoretical application of sexuality of consent of power dynamics and relationships, domestic violence and things like that. And so when it came to some of the topics I was learning quite a lot, but I wasn’t translating those things that I learned into how to speak up for myself.

Candice Smith 14:09
So I still had bad relationships. I still had bad sex. And I felt a lot of shame around that too. I felt an extra layer of shame. Like right I’m, I’m a Sexuality Studies major, and I know all these things, and I, you know, I’m a feminist now. And now I understand all these different things, but I still don’t feel like I’m good in bed. I still have a lot of shame. And I still don’t know how to advocate for myself. I still haven’t healed from my assault.

Candice Smith 14:40
So, it led me down a rabbit hole through most of my 20s I would say, of experimentation and I guess what I like to call my passion project of having to learn how to stand up for myself. advocate for me intimately and stand up and learn how to have a better relationship with pleasure.

Céline Remy 15:10
Wow, that’s super powerful and it’s definitely not a story that is rare right we hear we hear this type of story a lot we hear of so many women and sometimes men where they’ve been assaulted and it messes things up and then there are all these different emotions and it’s really difficult to move through them and it kind of like it’s a baggage that a lot of people carry and they carried in the bedroom they carried into everything they do and it does make it hard It does make it that life is less enjoyable in so many ways.

Céline Remy 15:49
What you know, since we are here around kind of that pain subject and before we go into more of the positive notes, I’m really curious about That place you were in where you like we saw, you’re saying, Yeah, I’m studying sexuality. And so it’s like, yeah, so many people want to do that, right? They read a book, they watch a movie, they do this and they’re like, Okay, I’m reading about it. It still doesn’t make it that you good in bed, or do you know what to do?

And you’re in this place where you have a lot of the tools available or knowledge, maybe knowledge not that tools, but yet you’re still experiencing like a sexless relationship. And I want to hear more about what happens like how is it like to be in a sexless relationship?

Candice Smith 16:35
Sure, sure. So, I, I had a number of, obviously failed relationships early on in my 20s. I didn’t really know how to ask for what I wanted. And so And over time, I was becoming less and less intrigued by the idea of sex. I wasn’t as excited by the thought of it, it’s still very much felt like a chore. And so when I entered into my first serious relationship in my mid-20s, I’d say I was 24.

Candice Smith 17:17
I very quickly got through the honeymoon stage with my partner, and I stopped wanting to be touched. And I think it all started for me when he brought up this issue that he found with my ability to orgasm. I wasn’t orgasming fast enough. And so he put a voice to my fear that I had been holding on to that, you know, I’m not doing it fast enough. I’m not authentic. He was very much about like, showing up authentically as your sexual self but also performing at the same time.

Candice Smith 17:58
He had expectations and You know what he felt had, he had done well with his previous partners. And he thought that that should translate into my pleasure as well. And when it didn’t, the only solution was that it was me, it had to be me. Because I wasn’t responding to things that had worked well with other partners. And I think that’s obviously one of those myths that we carry with us is, you know, if someone’s good in bed, or if you’re good in bed with it with one partner, then everyone else would automatically love what you do.

Candice Smith 18:35
And of course, that’s not true. Everybody’s body works differently and pleasure works differently for different people. And so in discovering, in discovering that he felt I wasn’t orgasming fast enough. I started to feel even more like I had to fake it even more like I had to come to the table with something to show him that I was being authentic. And so I was trying so hard to authentically orgasm, that it became this huge source of stress and frustration to the point where I actually physically started feeling revulsion at the thought of him touching me.

Candice Smith 19:15
And it was, I can still remember it. Now. It’s like a very visceral reaction. I would get goosebumps when he would touch my shoulder because that was a trigger for me, I knew that if he touched my shoulder, it was going to lead to a neck massage, which was going to lead to just take clothes off, and he wants to blow job. And then he expects this and he expects that and then I have to orgasm for him. And I have to make sure that I’m doing all of these things as he expects or I’m not showing up authentically and he’s not going to be pleased.

Candice Smith 19:47
Again, with this thought of like, his orgasm and my performance, to please him as being the measures of success. And so it just became It became the opposite of enjoyable. I would say that like it’s it became so unenjoyable, that I was literally physically repulsed by the idea of having sex.

Kevin Anthony 20:11
Yeah. You know, honestly, Candice, you are our absolute client avatar. Like, the things that you went through are exactly what we help people with. And I bring that up simply because you are not alone. There are so many people, we spend so much time trying to educate people on these exact topics. For instance, the example that you just gave us. It’s just another one of those big traps, right? Like, oh, I did good with these other women.

Kevin Anthony 20:43
So, therefore, you should be just fine. It must be you, right? Not only do those things not work for every woman, but the same things don’t work for the same woman on the same day. You could make love in the morning and what you did worked great, and she screamed in pleasure. Now you’re having sex in the evening. It doesn’t work, right? Because she’s a woman and she’s like water and she’s flowing and she’s changing.

Kevin Anthony 21:04
She needs different things at different times. Oh, my, if I had a dime for every time I’ve heard people with that issue, so thank you so much for voicing that because I think a lot of people listening to this can really resonate with it.

Candice Smith 21:20
Absolutely. Well, I think for myself, that was the final straw that broke the camel’s back. Mm-hmm. duration and being like, I’m, I’m 24 and I feel like my body is broken. Well, I’m torn. I feel like I don’t have any sexual desire. And of course, that has such huge implications for the way that I saw myself the way that I presented myself to other people my confidence, my daily happiness, and my stress levels and depression and all of those things can result from I’m

Céline Remy 22:02
Not being well fucked…

Kevin Anthony 22:04
Let’s just put it how it is, not being well. So but this is a great segue then. Right? Because all right, that’s the straw that broke the camel’s back. So how did that lead you to develop this new product that you have?

Céline Remy 22:19
Like? An are there things that you tried? Like you were like, okay, now that this is it, I have to do something like what were the first steps you took to start to bring pleasure back, like, in a way that was good for you?

Candice Smith 22:35
Yeah. So I, I’m, I’m a nerd. I’m a self-professed nerd. When I have a problem, I don’t know I research it. And so in this particular case, I turned to the internet. I was doing a lot of reading about senselessness about a lack of pleasure about issues with libido about how to have healthy relationships. How to speak to your partner when your partner doesn’t understand and you keep trying to tell them over and over what your needs are in a way that isn’t causing an argument or causing defensiveness or, you know, hurting ego and things like that.

Candice Smith 23:16
And I think one of the first things that I learned is to shift my definition of sex and pleasure and foreplay. I think really shifting my definitions and I’m a certified educator after I graduated from Harvard, I ended up going and getting my master’s in education and definitions are very near and dear to my heart. And just defining what pleasure could look like and what pleasure should look like. I think for myself was one of the first places where I went and identifying some of the patterns that weren’t working.

Candice Smith 24:00
For me in terms of how I was being touched or how I didn’t want to be touched, and really just thinking clearly about what my yeses and noes were, I think I had I had been allowing myself to be led so much. I had submitted so much to what I thought my partner wanted that I didn’t know what made me feel good. And so you can’t speak up for yourself when you don’t know what feels good. And so I started exploring my body more I invested in some sex toys, I ended my relationship.

Céline Remy 24:39
Woohoo!

Candice Smith 24:40
I started really intentionally prioritizing, finding pleasure again, and understanding what that looked like for myself. And along the way, I ended up getting into research around In BDSM, because as I mentioned, one of the things that I studied at Harvard was relationship power dynamics and consent. I’d always found it from an academic standpoint, I’d found it very fascinating that couples that were partners that practice BDSM play, they negotiate what they consent to.

Candice Smith 25:28
They talk about openly what they want to do with each other. And I think that was revolutionary to me because I had never talked with a partner about what we were going to do to each other. He just pushed my head a certain way. Or he said, Let’s we’re doing this or he said that and I would say, Sure, yeah, whatever you want. Right. And I would just kind of go with the flow because I thought that was what was expected of me. I thought that not talking about sex was sexy.

Candice Smith 25:56
Just letting the passion speak for itself, letting her body speak for themselves. When in reality, I found I discovered that that was very different. So I decided when I started dating again, that I was going to experiment. And I was going to try some of these things that I found intriguing. I found out very quickly that my body was not broken at all. I’m all about mindset.

Candice Smith 26:25
In those first experimentations I think, I practiced you know, I experimented with domination and submission, and I experimented being dominant and I experimented with being submissive. I talked about what I actually wanted. And it brought up this question of what do I actually want? I think for myself when I end up speaking with other women, my clients who are in the same position,

Candice Smith 26:57
I asked them, we start with this question of what do you want And the first answer is, I don’t know. No.

Candice Smith 27:04
Right? It’s we never know. And we’re not taught to think about what we want. We’re just taught to react to what we think our partner wants. Hmm. And so that, for me, was revolutionary.

Céline Remy 27:20
So I love all of this, Candice. That’s a fantastic journey, and I think is going to speak to so many of our listeners, I’ve heard a version of this story like so many times, hundreds of times by now. So I know everyone can get a little piece in there that will resonate. And so what I would love for you to do is to share a little bit with our listeners more about the kits that you’ve created. And that can help them open up this communication and play with pleasure and explore because I think this is really like, now it’s like they’re ready. They want that solution, like tell them a little bit more about it.

Candice Smith 27:59
Absolutely. So, fast forward a couple of years, right? So I’ve been reconnected to my body passion and I know how to speak up for what I want. I’ve discovered how to advocate for myself and have found healing and found joy and have found ecstasy within that. And the more that you learn how to talk about sex and intimacy, the more that you get playful with it, right, a lot of play involved in negotiating what you want to do with someone.

Candice Smith 28:29
And there’s, there’s a flirtation to it and I learned that foreplay is not just the thing that you do immediately leading up to sex, it is the energy that you have with your partner that continually exists, right and you can always play with that. And so I as I got more into play myself, I started thinking about what are the ways that we can teach other people how to find this magic in the bedroom. of communicating through play and finding playful passion.

Candice Smith 29:04
And as an educator, I had focused on something called experiential learning with my students, and it’s just a fancy way of saying learning through experience, right? You learn through experience, you have a project, its hands-on, you know, you get your hands dirty, and then you learn from that. Right. And it’s one of the best ways that children learn. And this is the thing with adults, we’re all human, right? Our brains learn better when we get our hands dirty.

Candice Smith 29:34
So I thought, What is more hands-on than sex? Right? You and so if there’s a breakdown in communication with people like myself, who have struggled, who have felt shame, who have felt a lack of passion, and don’t know how to talk to their partner about it, one of the best ways to overcome the awkwardness of intimate communication that initial awkwardness is the replay.

Candice Smith 30:00
And that’s really where Tango came about this idea of guiding couples to play together with curated games that come in a box and was delivered to your door. So that was really where Tango got started. And then I took all of my other learnings, you know, with the negotiating consent and power dynamics and all of these other things and kind of put them into the box disguised as games.

Céline Remy 30:30
Yeah, and you have different themes for the box, because I know that for some people, they’re like, oh, BDSM I’m not interested in exploring the kinky, but then there’s the pre presence box. So there are different ones that can resonate so that wherever you are on that spectrum, you can just start to experiment with one or the other. There’s even the option to be surprised for the very adventurous couple right where it’s like, give me a surprise Tango.

Candice Smith 31:00
You never know what you are getting the box.

Kevin Anthony 31:02
Yeah. And I would recommend for people that even if you don’t think that you’re into this particular one that you should probably try it. Mm-hmm.

Candice Smith 31:10
Yeah, I would, I would always recommend it. People ask me, you know, what, what kit would you recommend? And I always say presence first. Because I think it’s a great introductory kit. It was actually the first kit that I created is about just being present and quieting that noise. I mean, I think the first story that I ended up telling you guys is about all of the noise that was going on in my head about the expectations for performance and is he enjoying giving me pleasure and when is too long? Is he waiting too long for me to orgasm right?

Candice Smith 31:48
And all of these things that we have going on in our lives, the hustle culture and the doo doo doo and the be turned on and answer emails, look at your phone, look at social media. All of these things. Keep us from being present, especially when it comes time to be vulnerable, and receive pleasure, right and give pleasure.

Candice Smith 32:09
These things are not about necessarily, I mean, obviously, there’s action, there’s movement, but, but these things are about being in the moment and being focused on the physical sensations and enjoying with your partner. And so I think it’s, it’s a being present is a lesson that no matter where you are in your sexual journey, it is valuable to visit and revisit.

Céline Remy 32:34
Absolutely, we did a, we did a talk where we had the different women in the room, say like, Hey, what’s the number one thing that they find is most attractive in a man? And what they all wanted and found attractive was presence. Yeah. So if you’re a guy and you’re listening, you’re like, I’m not sure if I get it, like get the kids and focus like work on presence like explore what that means. If you are interested in finding out more about the different kits, the tango products?

Céline Remy 33:04
We have a link for you in the comments below and you can explore all of Candice’s like fantastic games to bring more pleasure and break sex back to the relationship. Absolutely.

Kevin Anthony 33:18
And we’ve got one last question for Candice.

Céline Remy 33:20
We do. Do you want to ask it, Kevin?

Kevin Anthony 33:23
I’ll ask it this time. We’ve got a new sort of tradition here at the love lab podcast that when we interview somebody, we always finish with the same question, which is, what is your best sexual talent?

Candice Smith 33:40
What is my best sexual talent? That’s a great question. I think for myself and pardon my pause, I’m really I want to give you a good answer.

Kevin Anthony 34:00
I hear the Jeopardy music in the background…

Candice Smith 34:13
I know we were just talking about it. And it seems like such an easy segue. But I think my best sexual talent is my ability to be present with my partner and to get lost in the moment. I think it’s something that I’m the most proud of. It’s something that I’ve worked the hardest on in my sexual journey is shutting off the noise and allowing myself to actually receive pleasure and be okay with it and not be ashamed of it.

Candice Smith 34:49
And so I think for myself, it’s not a position. It’s not an action. It is a mindset that I am most proud of, and I think is my best sexual talent. That’ll Me to show up for and to really bond and connect with my partner.

Céline Remy 35:04
I’m beautiful. Candice, if our listeners want to find out more about you, where can they go to find more about you? And of course, there’s the link directly. But I know this Tango dot love and other things. Where can they find more about you, Candice?

Candice Smith 35:20
Sure. So you can find us on Facebook, Instagram, and Twitter at the tango kit. We’re actually easy to find on all three of those platforms. And if you actually want to connect with us, interview individually, we’re going to be creating a group for women to just discuss some of these taboo conversations with live chats that I’m going to be hosting.

Candice Smith 35:50
So just reach out on Facebook at the tango kit. And I’ll get you into that group and we can have some fun conversations about sex.

Kevin Anthony 36:00
Awesome. Well, I was really want to thank you for coming on. I love the conversation that we had today. And I always appreciate when we have a guest who, what they share is so in line with what we do and what we teach, all these things that you’re talking about are things that we try to help people with. The funny thing is, is, we don’t always know when we get somebody on the show whether or not they’re really going to be in alignment.

Kevin Anthony 36:25
Like, yeah, we can look at your website and stuff. But we don’t really know what you’re going to say when you get here. None of this is scripted. So it’s always such a pleasure when somebody comes on who’s educated and well-spoken and the things that they’re sharing with the world are exactly what we want to share with the world. So thank you so much.

Céline Remy 36:40
Thanks for the work you’re doing. And thank you for being here today and sharing your insights with our audience. It was a pleasure.

Candice Smith 36:48
Absolutely. Thank you so much for having me. This was a lot of fun. And yeah, I appreciate your mission and everything that you guys are doing too. So thank you again for holding this space.

Kevin Anthony 37:00
All right, everybody. That’s all the time we have for this week and we will see you next week. We hope you liked this episode of the love lab podcast. If you enjoyed this show, leave a comment and share it with your friends.

Céline Remy 37:17
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And remember, you’re amazing