Sex and Spirituality Are They Mutually Exclusive?

Kevin Anthony 0:11
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Céline Remy 0:20
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Kevin Anthony 0:27
Alright, welcome back to the love lab podcast. This is Episode 126. And it is titled, sex and spirituality. Are they mutually exclusive? Okay, so we did an interview recently. And one of the questions we were asked was basically that, like, how do you sort of reconcile sexuality and sex with spirituality? There are lots and lots of people who have very deeply held spiritual beliefs.

Kevin Anthony 0:56
And they often run into conflicts about how do how can I be a sexual being in this world, and still really believe in the core of whatever, you know, faith that they have? And it was a great question, it was one that we definitely weren’t expecting. But it’s also one that we’ve heard time and time again, from clients. And so we thought, since that happens, we should do a whole episode on it. Now, I want to preface before we get too deep into this. This is a very, very deep subject.

Kevin Anthony 1:33
And there are many, many, many different belief systems religious spiritualities out there, we’re not claiming to be experts in any of them. Nor we’re claiming to give you everything that you could possibly know about it. But we are going to give you some highlights and some general ideas that some of these belief systems have. So of course, we’re going to address Christianity and Judaism because those are kind of the two big Western ones.

Kevin Anthony 2:07
So we apologize for leaving out anybody else’s. And you know, Christianity is kind of like a big umbrella. There’s a whole bunch of different versions of Christianity under that. So we’re not speaking specifically about any one particular type. But I think you’re going to find this fascinating because if you’ve never really taken the time to dig into this subject, you might, you might, in fact, you will learn some stuff.

Céline Remy 2:30
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Céline Remy 2:58
So I wanted to start with some definitions because I felt like they were essentials oftentimes, the words spirituality and religion get confused, and they are not the same thing. For clarity purposes, let’s I’m going to read the definition here for you about religion. So religion, by definition is a personal set or institutionalized system of religious attitudes, beliefs, and practices, the service, and worship of God or the supernatural. Okay.

Céline Remy 3:36
Spirituality, on the other hand, is connotes an experience of connection to something larger than then you living everyday life in a reverent and sacred main manner. So ours Christina Petroski, MD she’s a leader in trying to incorporate spirituality into healthcare she puts spirituality is the aspect of humanity that refers to the way individuals seek and express meaning and purpose and the way they experience our connectedness to the moment to self to others, to natures and to their significant or sacred.

Céline Remy 4:14
So the biggest difference between the two is religions are really a set of rules institutionalized would be the big word here. And while spirituality seems to not deny that there’s something greater and grander than what we are, but the labels are different, and there’s now following offset rules,

Kevin Anthony 4:36
yeah, and that’s a big distinction to make is that your religion is an organized system. And spirituality is saying, well, I understand that there’s something bigger out there. I don’t necessarily know exactly what it is, but you have a reverence for and an understanding that there is something else even though you may not be following a very specific coalified set of rules. So get that ASCII is a really great way to start it.

Kevin Anthony 5:04
Because depending on which one of those camps you fall into, you might have different attitudes towards sexuality, for instance, and we’re gonna get into this, and I’m going to show you that most of you know, in the end, I’m speaking mostly primarily from the western point of view, because that’s, you know, where we’ve grown up.

Kevin Anthony 5:24
Those are the systems that we grew up under. But I think we’re going to do a pretty good job of showing you that most of the beliefs you have towards sexuality don’t actually come from you know if we’re talking Christianity, Jesus, right, that a lot of these things were imposed by other men much, much later on, but we’ll get to that. So this brings me to the next question, which is, okay, so we’re talking Western world, primary religion being Christianity in all its different forms. So then the question becomes, we’re going to talk about sex, and we’re going to talk about Christianity.

Kevin Anthony 6:04
So what does Jesus have to say about sex? I mean, that right, that that’s the next question you want to go to? So I read a lot of Christian websites. I only took a few notes here and just grabbed a couple of things that I thought were interesting. They all pretty much say the same thing, although they have slightly different interpretations. And this is where it gets tricky, right? It’s in the interpretation. of interpretations. Yes. Okay. So let’s, what do I mean by that? Let’s dig into it. Alright. So the first one is I found this site called religious tolerance.org.

Kevin Anthony 6:46
And actually, I liked what they had written about it. So I’m just going to read that as the first example. So according to them, they say many faith groups discuss what the Bible has to say about sexual behavior. But there are few biblical passages that reveal Jesus’s beliefs on these matters. In fact, a case can be made that he did not directly discuss sexual activity at all.

Kevin Anthony 7:10
One source claims that the Christian scriptures the New Testament, records, 298, suggestions, recommendations, and instructions by Jesus on how we should behave and believe. We’ve not been able to verify this number according to them, since he is recorded as mentioning sexual behavior only between zero and four times.

Kevin Anthony 7:30
He obviously did not give it great emphasis. The record is totally silent about his attitudes towards the main sexually related religious controversies of the present-day abortion, equal rights, homosexuality, same-sex, marriage, masturbation, premarital sex, etc.

Kevin Anthony 7:51
So okay, a couple of things I want to say about that. The first is, is that when you start going down this rabbit hole of what did Jesus say about sex? This is the first article that I came about. It says there are zero to four references. And this, this article actually went and listed every reference that they found. What was interesting about that is that there were only a couple of references, and they all had to do with basically adultery and divorce.

Kevin Anthony 8:23
Which isn’t really sexual, or sexuality in general, right. And basically, it was just saying, like, you know, don’t cheat on your wife, or don’t cheat on your husband. And, you know, you shouldn’t get a divorce unless something really bad happened. Like they cheated on you. Like, there really wasn’t anything specifically about, let’s say that, let’s just say that you have, you know, because we do know, in Christianity, they believe that marriage is a man and a woman. So let’s just say that you are a man and a woman in a monogamous relationship.

Kevin Anthony 9:01
They say nothing else from that point on, about what sexual behavior would be acceptable. Now, so I read this, and I think myself, okay, you know, this is a religious tolerance.org site, so I don’t know what their slant really is. I don’t know if they’re pro Christian, antichristian, whatever. So let me see what some other people have to say about it.

Kevin Anthony 9:25
So I started combing through a lot of faith-based Christian faith-based websites on this subject and trying to find like, okay, is this other one sort of downplaying it? Or are you know, are they really being accurate with that, so I found tons of them, I’m only going to read one of them right now, pretty much sums it up. This comes from family life.com. It says, thus, when he lists a catalog of sins in Mark 7 21 to 22.

Kevin Anthony 9:57
It makes it clear that all of these sins are altered. matters of the heart. It is the idols of the heart that Jesus is out to eradicate among those sins of the heart that often give way to sinful actions. He would include both sexual immorality and adultery. Mark 721, the phrase sexual immorality in a biblical context would speak of any sexual behavior outside the covenant of marriage between a man and a woman. So here’s the thing is, I go, and I read all these other sites.

Kevin Anthony 10:29
And they do have different interpretations. So you know, when I read that first one that said he only mentioned it zero to four times. And then I go, and I read some other sites. And I’m expecting them to say, No, no, no, it says right here, and it says right here, and it also says right here, well, some of them do say that. But everything they point to is either adultery. Or maybe a vague actually never really even says sexual immorality, it’s basically divorced and adultery.

Kevin Anthony 11:00
Then they take other passages that aren’t directly speaking about sex at all. And they kind of tried to see how he might have meant, this could be interpreted to mean, but he never directly says anything about it. Other than those, those couple of things. That really was the theme across all of the research that I was doing in there. And so the important point that I want to make there is that, you know, Christian based religions are really based on the Bible.

Kevin Anthony 11:34
They’re based on the teachings of Jesus, so what records Do we have of what Jesus said, when you read those, there’s a lot of, there’s a lot of information in there. But when you look at what the religions have created, since that time, it’s significantly bigger. So how did that happen? Well, it’s been a lot of interpretations and other, you know, spiritual leaders kind of putting their own slant on and saying, well, we think this and we think he meant that right.

Kevin Anthony 12:04
So what I would say, to anybody who really is, you know, a devote, you know, Christian, is that, because it doesn’t specifically say, you can do this, you can’t do that you should do this, you shouldn’t do that. You’re gonna have to make up your own mind about what fits in for you. What do you think? Go read the Bible yourself. And I’m amazed at how many Christians never even read the Bible. I mean, I’ve read it in college, we studied it in, in literature class, I read the entire thing.

Kevin Anthony 12:38
Not to mention, I was raised Catholic, but that’s a whole nother thing. I was surprised how many people haven’t book go read it, but read it through the lens, the eyes of somebody specifically, wanting to figure out what does it say about sexuality? Because I think if you do that, you’re going to realize a lot of that stuff that you thought you shouldn’t do or was bad. It ain’t actually in there.

Céline Remy 13:02
So it’s a self-imposed restrictions or shame that comes on but it’s not even like something that was written,

Kevin Anthony 13:12
self-imposed or imposed by somebody else, but not coming from the actual God that you believe it. Mm-hmm.

Céline Remy 13:20
So did you want to talk about that one? Absolutely. Okay, go for it, then we’ll move on to Judaism. Okay.

Kevin Anthony 13:29
So we found another good article on the yale.edu site, and just grabbed a little piece of it. And it says, in fact, the sex-negativity that has characterized Christianity did not come from Christianity’s Jewish heritage, nor from the teachings of Jesus, nor even from the letters of Paul, Jewish teaching to this day is sex-positive Jewish couples are supposed to have sex on the Sabbath, to hollow the day, the Genesis command was to be fruitful and multiply.

Kevin Anthony 13:59
And without reference to marriage, children, or family, the collection of poems in the Song of Songs, is basically a pantheon of sexual love and romance. And so this is kind of just like, this is an intellectual way. Of course, right? I was saying the same thing that I just said that it doesn’t actually say anything negative in there. And any negative stuff that you may have taken on came from somewhere else.

Céline Remy 14:26
Mm-hmm. We quickly let’s look at a little bit of Judaism because it’s another big religion here for us. And just like it said earlier, Judaism considers sex natural and holy fruit, not without boundaries. So one of the things they do is that they recognize the importance of sexual pleasures and companionship for its own sake as well.

Céline Remy 14:47
But there is something interesting the Jewish law is very open and positive about sexuality within marriage, and it asserts that sex outside of the marriage bed is wrong or deviant. So it’s Positive if it follows the sets of rules that they’ve put together, and it’s a man-woman marriage, that’s basically the only option. Anything else is not going to be supportive.

Céline Remy 15:09
And marriage is touted as the only acceptable outlet for expression of this impulse, and to engage in any other sorts of sexual release outside of the boundaries of married life is considered a grave sin.

Kevin Anthony 15:21
Now, here’s what I will caution you on that now, I have not done this research. But I would suggest that if you are of the Jewish faith when you hear that you go, Oh, I’m not even supposed to have sex until America. No, I would say just like all of the rules in Christianity about sex. Go read. I know there’s more than one text. There’s the Torah. And then there’s the sorry, I apologize to the I’m not religious,

Céline Remy 15:50
I really don’t know.

Kevin Anthony 15:51
No, but there’s I know there’s a couple of different branches of Judaism. And some of them follow the Talmud, some follow the Talmud, some follow Torah, I would, I would suggest that rather than just going by that little definition that we read, go read those books, read them through the lens of what specifically do they say about sexuality and find out, you might find that it differs from what we just read there.

Céline Remy 16:17
So that was a long intro in introducing religion. And we’re going to be kind of done quoting religion for now.

Kevin Anthony 16:24
Yeah. But that was really like we because if you’re going to talk about spirituality, first of all, I love that you put the definitions in there in the beginning, because most people conflate the two, right? When they use the word spirituality and religion interchangeably when they’re not actually the same thing. So we had to clear that up, right? Because then we moved into what does what do some of the main Western religions say about it? Right. But now we’re gonna move into what do other spirituality systems say about it? Hmm,

Céline Remy 16:54
yeah. So one of the people that we’ve been greatly influenced by, we’ve read most of his books is Osho. And love him hate him, there’s a lot of disinformation, I still think that he’s got a wealth of knowledge. He’s never written a book, it’s only what he’s spoken out, that’s been translated into books for the people who wanted to learn about his teachings.

Céline Remy 17:18
So keep that in mind that, again, what we get from our show is not first hand, but second hand for the filter of somebody else. While I do hope, they kept the transcript close to the first delivery; it’s still important to remember that it was somebody else’s translation or retranslation of something.

Kevin Anthony 17:35
Now, I know that for people that are not very familiar with Osho, that you may have seen the documentary they made not too long ago, there is a belief out there that he was a sex cult. So obviously, Osho is going to be very sex-positive, right? I can tell you that I personally know two people who lived there, that were there and present for all of that stuff that that documentary was about, and they will swear to this day, that what happened, or what we’re told happened, isn’t actually what really happened.

Céline Remy 18:11
Mm-hmm.

Kevin Anthony 18:12
Most likely, what was going on is that you know, there was, there was a period of time in history, where when anybody spoke out against the, you know, the mainstream government religious narrative, the FBI was targeting them going after them and destroying them from the inside out. And this is every movement, they did this in the 60s movement.

Kevin Anthony 18:36
You know, with the hippie movement, and every other one, there’s documented proof that they were putting people into these organizations to stir up trouble and to do things that the organization itself weren’t doing so that they could then demonize them So, and I have that from first-hand knowledge from somebody who was there, that that is exactly what was happening. So I just want to preface that. So we don’t get too much criticism from people. But of course, you’re, of course, Osho. You know,

Céline Remy 19:06
I want to read a quote here, that he was saying, it’s very important to understand one thing in this context, human beings can never be separated from sex. Sex is the very source of one’s life. One is born out of it. existence has accepted the energy of sex as the starting point of creation, and you holy men call it sinful, something that existence itself does not consider a sin.

Céline Remy 19:32
And if you think of God as the creator, and if God considers sex to be a sin, then there is no greater sinner than God in this world, no greater sinner than God in this universe. Well, that’s um, sex matters, his book, sex matters.

Kevin Anthony 19:47
So what is Osho really saying there? You know, Osho is saying that all of existence is literally born from sex. How could that be wrong? How could the existence itself be wrong? And if God created that exist Since then he created sex, and why would he create something that’s wrong? rightly, that’s what he’s saying there doesn’t matter which God you think he’s talking about. I mean, that is a very powerful quote. Mm-hmm.

Céline Remy 20:14
Absolutely. If you’ve never given it too much fat. It is the force of creation, it is what we come from. And if we deny the sexuality, or have negative feelings towards sexuality, it’s literally denying and rejecting a part of oneself.

Kevin Anthony 20:32
Yeah, now I can hear people on the other end listening to this guy. Well, you know, it’s not that you can’t have sex, but you can’t have this kind of sex, or this kind of sex, or this kind of sex over here, you know. And that’s why I wanted to really point out that there really aren’t any actual specific references to what kind of sex you can have.

Kevin Anthony 20:56
The most that you get out of it really is that you’re just supposed to do it in, in the construct of a marriage between a man and a woman that’s it, that’s about the most that you can really construe out of any of that stuff. So if they’re not telling you anything else, that means everything else is fair game. So let’s bring

Céline Remy 21:22
in somebody new into this dialogue. It’s David Deida.

Kevin Anthony 21:26
Yeah, I mean, he’s another big influence of ours. I know he’s another controversial figure, right? Oh, David Deida. Yeah, he’s that misogynist guy, blah, blah, blah.

Céline Remy 21:35
No, it’s the way of the superior man in case you weren’t sure.

Kevin Anthony 21:39
Yeah. Right. Which a lot of people think, Oh, yeah, so he’s writing about men are superior. That’s not what it means at all. Most of the people that criticize David Deida have never actually studied his work. I think we’ve read just about every book he’s ever written. And, and pretty much right on. The thing that I’ve always found about David Deida’s work, too, is it was primarily originally it was a lot of women criticizing him.

Kevin Anthony 22:02
But most of the women that I know, and it’s not just because we’re here in crazy-ass California, but most of the women like if we really sit down and we talk about the ideas discussed in it. Yeah, they turn into bobbleheads they’re gone. Uh-huh. Yeah, that’s right. Oh, yeah, that’s totally right. So, you know, don’t listen to the naysayers.

Kevin Anthony 22:23
Go read it for yourself and make up your own mind. But here’s a quote from David Deida. Each of us must find our own unique way of living true to our deep being. But whatever we may find, we will discover that love is the only way to live that is not less than God, less than truth, less than our deepest need and divine potential. The cultivation of utter freedom is to live as the flow of love can be practiced during sex and that’s from his book finding God through sex.

Céline Remy 22:54
Our Falstaff so we’re gonna dive in deeper with What does sexuality really it doesn’t mean to spit lead to spiritual enlightenment and and and just like, how did they go together really. But before that, let’s talk CBD right? Because Hey, that can help you get enlightened.

Kevin Anthony 23:15
It will definitely help support our channel here and our podcast, which means we can continue to bring you this kind of material.

Céline Remy 23:24
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Céline Remy 24:33
Alright, so let’s talk about whether sexuality leads men to spiritual enlightenment or stray them away from it. And again, we use men as encompassing men, women like men as humanity, right?

Kevin Anthony 24:47
Yeah. And then these are so these are questions that people often have, right so when you start, when you start either talking to somebody about sex and spirituality, or you start researching it, what are people Hole, what do they want to know? What are they asking? And so we had a couple of questions here that are pretty common that people ask.

Céline Remy 25:07
So let’s quote some of our favorite people again.

Kevin Anthony 25:12
Mr. Osho,

Céline Remy 25:13
yes, he’s got a book from sex to superconsciousness. In case you haven’t yet read it. And that book says that there is a way to go beyond sex. And I’ve really thought that’s what we talk a lot about in our show, that you can transcend sex, that’s really what it means from sex to superconsciousness. There are different levels. And this is really what we’re big advocates of, you are at the stage of sex, while you should be at the stage of super consciousness, and the route is simple.

Céline Remy 25:41
Sex just has to be part of your religious life, it has to be something sacred. psychosis has to be something not obscene, not pornographic, not condemned, not repressed, but immensely respected. Because we are born out of it, it is a very life source. And to condemn the life source is to condemn everything, sex has to be raised higher and higher to its ultimate peak.

Céline Remy 26:05
And that ultimate peak is Samadhi. If you’re not familiar with the term Samadhi, in Sanskrit, basically, it kind of means a state, of meditative consciousness or absorption of this altered consciousness, basically. And that’s what some people want to achieve. And then there’s one more good I want to talk about from Osho. Before we give our opinions here, which is people who transcend sex are people who accepted very naturally, sex is beautiful.

Céline Remy 26:37
Sex in itself is a natural rhythmic phenomenon. If you understand life, if you love life, you will know sex is sacred Holly, then you live it, then you delight in it. And as naturally as it has come, it goes off, it’s on the court. So does sex lead to spiritual enlightenment? With depends on the kind of sex you have.

Kevin Anthony 27:00
Exactly. And so, the answer to that is, yes and no. In other words, it certainly can, if you treat sex for, in my opinion, what it really is or what it really should be. But like anything in life, it can be used positively and negatively. And I think what our society focuses on mainly is the negative side, society is always talking about the negative as unless, unless they want to sell you something, they want to sell you a new car, or some new clothes, or new alcohol, or new cigarette, or whatever it is, they want to sell you something, then it’s all fair game.

Kevin Anthony 27:40
And it’s great. But outside of that, they always focus on the negative aspects and the way sex is used negatively. It’s like anything else. It’s a tool. You know, a hammer can be used to build a house for someone that doesn’t have a house. But it’s also actually one of the most used weapons to murder people. I’m not even joking about that. Go look up the FBI statistics, more people are killed every year with a common household hammer than all rifles combined.

Kevin Anthony 28:10
That’s not even just assault rifles, that is all rifles combined. But it’s a hammer, right? And so I’m using that to make the analogy here like sex can be used good or bad. Right? Sex can be used terribly if you rape somebody, and you use it as a form of dominance and power and taking and hurt, right? That’s terrible

Céline Remy 28:32
sex used on children or people who are not consenting. Right?

Kevin Anthony 28:36
Exactly, absolutely. But the flip side of that is, is you could actually use sex for bringing life creating life into this world, you could use sex, for creating love and bliss, you can use sex to transcend this physical reality that we live in, and, and really reach altered states of consciousness and maybe even other dimensions.

Céline Remy 28:58
Mm-hmm. And this is really where you want to be able to bring your sex and it changes how you approach it. And I’m going to bring that part here. Basically, you must move from compulsive urges to conscious urges. And that’s all of the work we do in sacred sexuality in Taoism and Tantra in having presence and consciousness in your lovemaking.

Céline Remy 29:24
That’s things that we teach you to in our course, sexual mastery at power and mastery.com wink, wink. These are skills that you first need to be aware of, I mean, our concept I should say that you need to be aware of and then you need to seek out the skills to put these into practice to have the tools to reach this higher level. So I’m curious about whether or not spirituality can be deepened without sex. Can they go without one or the other?

Kevin Anthony 29:55
Yeah, so. So I wrote an answer here. I’ll just kind of summarize but Yes, so spirituality can be deepened. without sex, there’s no doubt, I mean, to say otherwise would be denying every month that’s ever sat, you know, and meditated for 2030 4050 years. Yes, you can absolutely deepen your spirituality and your connection to spirituality or spirit or the divine, or God, or whatever you want to call it. without sex, no doubt.

Kevin Anthony 30:25
But it’s also not necessary to withhold sex to put sex aside in order to do that. And that is where a lot of these systems go wrong. Right. In fact, I had a roommate years ago, she’s very spiritual, and so was her partner at the time. And he basically had like disavowed sex like, that was not he just, I don’t have the time and the energy for that.

Kevin Anthony 30:52
And he focused 100% on his spiritual practice. I won’t go into the long story about how that worked out for him. But let me just say it didn’t work out all that great.

Kevin Anthony 31:06
The point that I really want to make is, it’s not necessary, what tends to happen is people who have addictive personality tendencies, get addicted to all kinds of things, one of which is sex.

Kevin Anthony 31:19
And it the addiction is so distracting, and so all-encompassing, that they can’t focus on anything else other than that, and it actually gets in the way of them trying to focus on developing their spirituality.

Céline Remy 31:33
So I’m going to read something from Osho. And I think we’ll add then, and with the story to take home. So let’s go to our good friend Osho. Here, be conscious, don’t do anything, just remain conscious, try to be in an alert state, don’t fight with the sex, don’t condemn that.

Céline Remy 31:50
Don’t go to indulge in it, simply remain conscious of the fact that something is happening inside, if you can remain conscious of the fact that something is happening inside, if you can remain with the fact without doing anything, you will feel that your consciousness is growing and penetrating the dark ram of the unconscious. I know we needed a little music here.

Kevin Anthony 32:17
Well, and so yes. And then we want to finish the story. And the story is. So you know, we’re asking the question, can spirituality be deepened without sex? And we’re saying Yes, it can. More also saying that it’s not necessary. One of the downsides to excluding sex from your spiritual pursuits, is that just like when you try to ban anything, you end up with more perversion of it, right? So it’s like, you know, you create a war on drugs, you actually get more drugs. Right?

Kevin Anthony 32:48
And what sometimes when we work with people with addiction, when we try to get them to, you know, basil, do what people call quit cold turkey. They can’t do it at all. Right? So we were hiking, I don’t know, a year or two ago with some friends. And we were actually doing something really cool. We were spelunking through these mud caves. It was really fun. And we had our headlights on. We’re just, you know, an interesting conversation while we’re going.

Kevin Anthony 33:11
And one of the people in the group told us a story that when she was Do you remember where she was traveling? No, I can’t remember what country she was in. But wherever she was, she was telling us a story about how she actually was she started to say she had sex with a monk. But it turns out it wasn’t really sex, as we would call it. Basically, he just likes, out of nowhere. And they were gonna have sex, I think but he grabs her like, spins around, jerks off, and comes all over back.

Kevin Anthony 33:45
Or I believe that was this the story if I got the details, right. And she was like, uh, what the hell was that? Right, because in her mind, she’s thinking, here’s a person who has deeply cultivated his consciousness and his awareness. He’s a monk for Christ’s sake. Right, you know. And she was expecting to have some deeply divine spiritual sexual ecstasy. And instead, he did like, basically just used her as a cum rag. I mean, there’s no other way to really say it, right.

Céline Remy 34:19
terrible story.

Kevin Anthony 34:20
It is. It is a terrible story. But I think what it shows is the perversion that can happen when you try to deny part of who you are. And I think if our listeners could take anything away from this episode, it’s that your spirituality and your sexuality are not mutually exclusive and they are not separate. And you shouldn’t treat them as such. You shouldn’t try to repress one over here and stick one over there, right?

Kevin Anthony 34:48
Because it’s never going to work. It’s denying a part of who you are as a being. You in your incarnation. If you want to believe incarnated or, you know, God created you if you want to believe God created you And in Christian religions, he says he created you in his image. Right? And, and sexuality is part of who you are, which means it must have been part of who he is because you were created in his image, right, they’re not separate.

Kevin Anthony 35:11
So don’t treat them as separate. If you have deeply held beliefs, find the ways that you can bring those beliefs and your sexuality together, because they’re there they exist, right. And, you know, if you’re not aware of them, you just need to find them.

Céline Remy 35:28
And when you stopped fighting, when you start to embrace everything, and be in that acceptance, but also in that awareness that Osho was talking about, about being conscious being having that presence. There’s nothing ugly about sexuality. And you can find the divine you can find places that feel very deeply spiritual through that it is not the only way, but it is one way.

Céline Remy 35:56
And it is a way that’s easily accessible for most human beings because that’s something we don’t need anything from the outside. And so use your body, use your sexuality as a way to uplevel yourself to increase your consciousness to make the world a better place, set an intention before lovemaking, and invite more healing more love into the world for this planet for yourself, for your family.

Céline Remy 36:26
If you put this higher purpose, this meaning and you stay present in the lovemaking rather than being lost in fantasy, and more different kink of stuff, then you can start to touch places actually never even thought were possible. You will see that both sexuality and spirituality are similar paths that can be joined together for a higher good and higher purpose.

Kevin Anthony 36:55
Absolutely. So like I stated at the beginning, it’s a deep topic, there’s no way we could cover everything. We could go into many other different belief systems and religions. And we could really dive down into the details. But I think at this point, you get a general idea. If you’re struggling right now with incorporating your sexuality and who you are as a sexual being with your belief system.

Kevin Anthony 37:21
Please listen to this again, if you have to, and then go do the research for yourself dive down there, and satisfy your own curiosity. All right, everybody. That’s all the time we have for this episode. And we will see you next week. We hope you liked this episode of the love lab podcast. If you enjoy this show, subscribe. leave us a review and share it with your friends.

Céline Remy 37:47
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Kevin Anthony 38:01

Thanks for listening.

Céline Remy 38:02
And remember, you’re amazing