Kevin Anthony 0:00
Welcome to the Love Lab podcast, the place to be for honest and real talk about relationships and sex, whether you’re a man or woman, single or a couple, this is the show for you. I am your host, Kevin Anthony, and I am here to help you have the relationship of your dreams and the best sex of your life.

Kevin Anthony 0:26
All right, welcome back to the Love Lab podcast. This is episode 379, and it is titled The New sexual revolution. So first of all, welcome back to the Love Lab podcast. And second of all, as you are listening to this right now. Welcome to 2026. This is the first episode of the show for 2026, and I think it’s kind of appropriate that we’re talking about a new sexual revolution as we move into a new year. It’s always great at the beginning of the new year to sort of pause and reflect on where we’ve been and where we would like to go. And what I really love about this is that I really did not plan this. I didn’t know that we were going to be talking about the new sexual revolution as the first show of 2026 until long after it was booked and written and all of that. And then I looked at the calendar to see, okay, when is this one going to air? And I went, ha, how about that? So I love how those things always tend to work out.

Kevin Anthony 1:28
So in this episode today, we’re talking about what you know, the My guest is calling the new sexual revolution, and I’m really curious to hear what he believes that is. I of course, have my own ideas of what I think that is, and I believe, personally, that we’ve been moving into this for a while. And the interesting thing about revolutions is that people tend to think that a revolution just happens one day, overnight, and there’s this massive change. And from my experience in my 50-plus years on this planet, I can tell you that that’s generally not the case. These things start small. They take time, they build before you ever really see that big cataclysmic shift that you consider to be the revolution. And so I think we are experiencing a new sexual revolution, and I think that is a very good thing, and I’m really excited to explore that with my guest today. So that’s what we’re going to talk about today.

Kevin Anthony 2:30
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Kevin Anthony 4:42
Okay, enough of the ads. My guest today is Steven Edwards. He is originally from England. His memoir, The Venus Flytrap, sex lies and Repercussions, invites readers to reflect on life’s struggles and spiritual renewal. Welcome to the show, Steven.

Stephen Edwards 5:00
Well, thank you very much, Kevin. It’s great to be here. Thank you for having me.

Kevin Anthony 5:04
All right, so in the intro, I threw out this idea that there is a new sexual revolution underway. What do we mean by that?

Stephen Edwards 5:16
That’s a great question, but you pretty much, you pretty much covered it already. I’m kidding. So well, you know, you said it really, really well that a revolution does not happen overnight. It’s been happening for a long time, and I would say that you’ve been as much a part of it as anybody else. You’ve been doing this a long time, and as you know, have been able to coach one individual, then the next. It has a snowball effect, exactly what you’re talking about, right?

Stephen Edwards 5:42
So it’s been happening for a long time, but it’s really hit what I would say, and whether you would agree, a critical mass, and that has been driven by the media. You know, with all the social media, people have been more open to saying things they really want to say. That freedom of speech thing has happened. So people feel more confident to say things that they might not have said before because they’re online and nobody can see them. We’re also seeing it in the movies. We’re seeing it everywhere. And so again, that adds to the momentum of the movement. If you want to call it a movement, I think it is a movement where people are opening up. And the other thing I would say, and you and I were talking about this earlier, that it’s just part of the growth, the evolution of consciousness, if you want to call it that.

Stephen Edwards 6:28
So, where is that going when my perception is, and this is just my opinion, I think we’re going back to our nature. It’s natural for us to do these things you mentioned a moment ago about how women have started to enjoy oral sex. Well, what stopped them from enjoying it before? Just shame, just thinking it’s the wrong thing to do, and it’s not something that you should enjoy. Enjoy, but now is that we’re breaking down those barriers. It is natural. It’s a natural thing to do. And then, you know, I’m sure you talk to the gentleman you talk to as well about oral sex. Giving oral sex to a woman it’s the same thing. But men very often, because they haven’t had your coaching, feel nervous, right, or ashamed, or they don’t know what they’re doing, and they’re afraid to be embarrassed by it, so but the desire to do that, I believe, underneath everything, is already there, and I think we’re now just actualizing it, which is a great thing.

Kevin Anthony 7:23
Yeah, I love the way that you explain that. As you know, obviously talking about how there is an observable shift as far as what’s changing in social media and TV, movies, that sort of thing, but also equating that to the fact that there is a shift in consciousness around it happening, and I do believe that is occurring, not as quickly as I personally would like.

Stephen Edwards 7:48
I can imagine.

Kevin Anthony 7:51
But yeah, you’re right that this is a huge part of the work that I do is trying to create that, trying to bring us back into a healthy relationship with our sexuality, because you’re right, it is part of our nature, right? And the problem is we’ve put all kinds of junk in the way and made it something that is shameful or hard or weird or whatever. And at the same time, we are making progress, yet there’s a lot of progress to be made. For instance, my content is still massively suppressed across all platforms because, oh, oh, he’s talking about sex. Oh, my God, that’s so terrible.

Stephen Edwards 8:32
Yeah, yeah. Well, and it was scary for me, you know, to write this book. I think, you know, in our pre interview, we chatted about the fact that, you know, I’ve been in the in the arena of personal and spiritual development for the best part of my life, and yet here I am having this experience which would make you think this guy’s got no idea about personal development or spiritual development, so it’s even more embarrassing. But you know, as I realized, is that we all have a dark side and a light side to our nature. And you know when you’re in that genre? Well, I was in that genre. I still am. You want to be perfect, and you can’t. It’s just not possible. We all have our flaws, flaws, and writing this book helped me face my flaws and have the freedom I’ve never had before. I got nothing to hide now, right? I can just be I could just be who I am, right? Which is tremendously freeing. And my hope is that by reading the book, people will get a great laugh, they’ll be entertained, but at the same time say, you know, what? If he can say that and come out and say it, then maybe I can just be who I am, too.

Kevin Anthony 9:34
Yeah, you know, that’s a really big part of what I’ve always tried to do on this show. And it’s feedback that I get a lot from people, which is, you talk so easily about sex and things that are generally really hard, and people will often say, I feel like by hearing you talk about it, you give me permission to do the same. And that’s always been a goal of mine, to make the conversation easier. Interestingly. Enough about that, you’re like, I got nothing to hide now, you know, yeah, right, when my wife and I started this podcast, we were trying to decide what to do for the first episode. And if I recall, it was either the first or second episode, one of those two, my wife decides she wants to do one on anal sex. And at the time, I’m thinking, Oh, god, how am I going to talk in public?

Kevin Anthony 10:25
Because, you know, she wanted me to talk about my experience with, you know, her, you know, doing prostate massage and things on me. And I’m like, Am I really going to have this conversation in front of people? And even in the beginning, I was a little uncomfortable having that conversation. And then at a certain point, I just decided, no, that’s it. We’re going to talk about everything, no matter what, the good, the bad, and the ugly and and I used to joke with her after a while, I used to say, well, you know, if I ever wanted to run for public office, there’s nothing to blackmail me on. I have talked about it all.

Stephen Edwards 10:59
Yeah, you’re free now. It’s nothing they can blackmail you on.

Kevin Anthony 11:05
Yeah, exactly. So this actually is a great segue into, you know, how you came to, you know, be thinking that there is this revolution going on, right? Because it was, it was born out of personal experience. So how did you get involved in this? How did you end up, you know, learning what you’ve learned?

Stephen Edwards 11:26
Yeah, it’s a great question. It’s been a long time, and it’s been something, you know, a part of me that I’ve kept very, I’m English. We’re very kind of closed off. We are kind of very secretive. We don’t talk about those kinds of things. And so really, my teacher was my partner in the book called Thomas, right? She was much more sexually advanced and open than I was, and so she helped me open up and accept it, and loved, you know, my same, what you might call, people would call kinks, right, were the same. So we were just so well aligned, you know. And when I was listening to you and Dr Nikki the other day, you were saying how we attract these things in our lives.

Stephen Edwards 12:08
It’s not an accident, you know. We’re bringing all these patterns into our lives, which are actually there to help us, you know. So people will say, Well, how do you get in such a bad relationship? I said, Well, it really wasn’t bad. It was. It happened for me to have a healing,g right? It was an opportunity for me to face myself. And I probably had that opportunity a million times before, but never saw it that way. But then just one day, the lights go on, and you go, I’m creating this. This thing is just repeating itself so quickly. It’s not happening to me. It’s happening for me.

Kevin Anthony 12:44
Did you have that realization in the moment, or is that something that came to you as a reflection after?

Stephen Edwards 12:51
Oh yeah, you’re onto me. Really good, right? So there’s no way that happened in the moment. I was so obsessed with her, I was so addicted to the sex that I couldn’t have that observation, it was, it was a long time after the fact.

Kevin Anthony 13:06
So I, of course, would expect that, because that’s pretty much true of any, you know, sort of major growth spurt that we go through. Usually, something comes along. It challenges us, it pushes our buttons, you know, sometimes in a good way, sometimes in a bad way, right? And then, you know, if it’s a more challenging one, we’re like, Why? Why do I have to go through this? And it’s usually only after the fact when we get to reflect back, and we go, man, I’m so grateful that actually happened.

Stephen Edwards 13:36
Yeah, and I said that, you know, so many times in the book, I say, Why? Why are you doing this to me? You know so, and I come from a background that teaches me never to ask why, you know, because it’s a constant loop question. You’re never going to get an answer, right? So, yeah, I lost all sense. I lost my sense of myself. Kevin, really, I lost myself in the whole situation. But again, you know, I have no only gratitude for the experience, because it helped me come to the final conclusions and understandings about myself that I had not had the experience I would never have had. So I’m grateful for it now, as you said, not at the time. It was tough, you know, very emotionally stressful.

Stephen Edwards 14:19
And you know, I think Dr Nikki the other day said nobody can make you feel anything, but that’s a hard thing, and they’re pushing you so hard, right? You go, wait a minute. I don’t know about that. So, yeah, it was a powerful experience. We had a lot of fun, as you know, as you read in the book. Now, it’s hilarious in parts, right? But to go back to your original question about how I ended up? And I wouldn’t go around and tell people I’m good at sex, generally speaking, because that’s going to set you up for failure. But I did learn a lot from a child, and I think I mentioned to you, or it’s in the book, how through trauma, and I know. Got to be careful how we try to determine trauma, right?

Stephen Edwards 15:03
But I would sell, say, being called, being told I’ve got a small dick from when I’m very young, was pretty traumatic, you know, for a number of years. But the silver lining in the end was that I became an overachiever in the bedroom because I was so afraid of not being able to give my partner pleasure. So what I learned to do is really tune into my partner, really every movement she makes, every moment she makes, every facial expression. I learned to be able to figure out because, as you know, everybody’s different. Everybody has different erogenous zones and different things that they like and don’t like, and so I was able to tune into those things and be able to give my partner pleasure, which was where I really got my sexual fulfillment from.

Kevin Anthony 15:52
Yeah, a slight aside here, we’re gonna, we’re gonna slightly go off course, just because I think this is important based on what you just said, but all right, you were told at a very young age that you had a small penis.

Stephen Edwards 16:05
Is that really nice to say, penis?

Kevin Anthony 16:07
But is that really true?

Stephen Edwards 16:09
Oh, you are really getting personal now.

Kevin Anthony 16:13
Well, there’s a reason I’m asking this question.

Stephen Edwards 16:15
Let’s get the ruler out. No, yeah, I don’t know, because I don’t really know how to judge it. I mean, you know, there are a lot of guys who have got really big penises, right? So what would you say is the average penis size?

Kevin Anthony 16:30
Well, we know from science what the average penis size is, it’s five to five and a half inches. That’s the average penis size.

Stephen Edwards 16:36
I would say I’m about average.

Kevin Anthony 16:38
Well, that’s exactly what I assumed, right? That’s why I asked that question. I wasn’t trying to out you, and no, I know the whole world, no, but what I wanted to bring out. The reason why I thought it was important is that so many men think that they have penises are too small. Why? Because the only time they generally see other men’s penises is in porn, where they’re all ginormous, yeah, or, you know, most men are generally relatively discreet with their penises, except for some reason, guys that have abnormally large penises love to flaunt them all over.

Kevin Anthony 17:17
So you’re in the locker room, every other guy’s being discreet. He’s like, taking his towel, putting his towel, putting his underwear on real quick, but the guy with the biggest penis is walking laps around the locker room side to side, right? So, so most guys see that, and then they look at themselves, and they’re like, damn, I have a small penis. But the reality is, is that most men don’t. Most men are perfectly adequate. And that’s why I wanted to ask that follow up question, because I really wanted listeners to hear that and know, listeners to hear that and know that they probably actually aren’t too small, even though they think they are.

Stephen Edwards 17:48
Yeah, so I was just gonna say I was just being playful. I knew that, but I knew that. But what’s interesting, and this is what I this is what I learned in this, I know what you call it, saga, or this story, is that women can be satisfied by an average penis. I think just about everybody’s average. I don’t think there’s anybody really that small, but they can get satisfaction even if it isn’t huge. Sometimes it can be even better for them. You can do things with it that you can’t do if it’s that big and is there’s no room to move.

Stephen Edwards 18:22
But I also realized I learned from her, because she was just so open to talking about everything, that now not every woman is going to be this way. But she preferred three things more than penis penetration. She preferred toys. She preferred oral and she preferred touching her in certain places, in certain ways, so that’s why, in the book, you know, because people are like, you say you had sex for three days. How’d you pull that off? Right? Because we were doing other things. Because it’s, it isn’t. You can’t just come and ejaculate every 5, 10, 15, 20 minutes, and it would be impossible to go three days doing that. So it was a blessing that those things allowed us to extrapolate the time that we had to enjoy sex.

Kevin Anthony 19:13
Yeah, absolutely. So this is another great segue into, let’s talk about some of the things that you learned from her. So we’re talking about this idea that there’s a basically new sexual revolution, which means we’re changing our thoughts and ideas around sex and what sex is and could be. So obviously, your time with this woman changed your ideas of what sex is and could be. What are some of the major things that you learned from her, and how did you learn them?

Stephen Edwards 19:43
Great question. Well, I will say that I learned them. I’m not going to say I was ready to apply them, right? Because, you know, I’m not a young kid, right? So I came from an era where certain things were taboo. I’ve got through some of those things, but I’m not, you know, into having multiple parts. US certainly not. Which is strange. I think I told you this story. She would love to have women, you know, two women and one man, which is most men’s dream. I remember you telling me this, not for me, and not interested, right? And I asked my therapist, What’s wrong with me? And she said, Well, you just, you just a control freak, because you couldn’t control it. You know, she’s very straight with me. I went, yeah, probably true, right?

Stephen Edwards 20:22
So, she also talked about monogamy. She didn’t believe in monogamy being something that’s imposed on you, right? She said, if you want to be monogamous, it should just be up to you, not society, right? And you shouldn’t be judged, right? If you want to have multiple partners, then it’s fine, you know? But she said monogamy has caused more problems in society than people realize. It’s been a real problem, and it becomes a reason, sometimes, not always. You would know this more than I. There are so many reasons why people become unfaithful, but she said one of them is because it’s, it’s that people are told they have to be monogamous, not be monogamous because they want to be, and they don’t talk about it as partners, right? So that was a big eye opener for me, because I’d come from a background where you know, you don’t cheat, you got to be monogamous. Do this and do that, but it seems like the more we put musts on people, or social stigma or shame, the more people want to do it.

Kevin Anthony 21:30
Yeah, so this is a big one, right? We’re talking again about, you know, changing the way we view sexuality, and this is a big one that has definitely been changing. You’re right. The past paradigm was that Monogamy was the only way, and everything else was wrong somehow. And you know, I mean, I can understand where that comes from. You know, as they say, Old habits die hard, right? Yeah, if we go back far enough in history, and we understand what we’re trying to accomplish, as far as perpetuating the species. It makes sense, but we don’t have to stick by those rules forever. And you’re absolutely right. No one relationship style works for everybody. It’s the same thing. It’s like, you know, in the health and fitness industry, you see people for decades battling over what’s the right diet. No, no, you got to be all carnivore. No, no, you got to be vegan. No, no, you got to be whatever this is that the other thing.

Kevin Anthony 22:29
And what we know now from science, as we’ve looked at it, is that different people’s bodies function differently, and the diet that works for them is different. So the way that they process, you know, nutrients, the way that they metabolize hormones, all that stuff, and the list goes on and on and on, there’s a whole list of things that can potentially be different based on your genetic makeup and how your body works. And so it’s kind of similar to relationships. The one relationship style doesn’t work for everybody, and part of this new change is realizing that, and you’re right, I wouldn’t say that monogamy is what’s caused the problem. It’s not giving people the choice, yes, exactly caused the problem, because there are tons of people in perfectly happy, healthy, successful monogamous relationships. But there are also a bunch of people who, you know, were raised much like you, that there is no other choice. And so they go that route, and they’re miserable, and both people are suffering as a result.

Kevin Anthony 23:33
The other thing that tends to happen in monogamous relationships is, you know, things change in life, especially as people get older. And I actually work these days with a lot of older clients, and one of the things that I’ll hear is that one person or another in the relationship, for whatever reason, either can’t anymore, or is no longer interested in sex, but the other person can and is and then you end up with this mismatch, and because of the structure that we’ve imposed on people, it’s like, well, that’s it. You’re just screwed for the rest of your life. You might have another 15 years of life, 20 years of life left. You’re never going to fuck again, because you know your partner can’t, right? And they don’t believe that there are other options right now. Granted, those options are going to be a little challenging if you’ve only ever known monogamy, but the idea is that they’re there, and through good communication, working with somebody like me, you can expand outside of that limitation, and you could live a better quality of life.

Stephen Edwards 24:35
Yeah, so she was, like I said, much more open than I was, but she helped me along the way, and there were certain things that I just couldn’t get over. So, for example, we spent a lot of time in the sex room. I don’t know how, hundreds of videos of her, I took photographs of her all the time, and she loved that, right? It was, I mean, what woman doesn’t want to be in front of a camera or be on a show? It’s beautiful, it’s normal, it’s natural. Right? So, but, so we took all these very good pictures she wanted to put them in frames and put them all over the house, right? But I just couldn’t, I couldn’t do it. I was like, No, I don’t want anybody else looking at her in that way, right? Which was very, very old school, right? And she was like, Well, what’s wrong with it? You know, I’m proud of my body, I’m proud of my sexuality. So in the end, I realized she was right. Now I still didn’t do it, but I think you know she’s right. Why should she be ashamed of her beauty? Why should she be ashamed of her sexuality? Right? It’s normal. It’s natural. And if other people look at her, it doesn’t mean she’s going to go to bed with them or sleep with them, and they can enjoy her beauty and sexuality too.

Kevin Anthony 25:43
Yeah, I think one of the most beautiful works of art in existence on planet Earth is the nude female form. It’s just exquisite. Is beautiful. I used to take a ton of photos of my wife, too, and videos and things like that. And I used to print them out and have them around the house, too. That’s awesome. She was okay with it. She did not have a problem with it, but, but, you know, at a certain point, she was like, Isn’t that enough? Like, no, there’s an extra spot on the wall right here.

Stephen Edwards 26:14
Let’s get you up there as much as we can. And the other thing, the other thing that she taught me, and I’d be interested in your view, I think you’re gonna have the same viewpoint. She said, Look, Sexuality is fluid. It’s fluid. You know, you can wake up one day and, you know, decide you want to be this part of yourself or that part of yourself. So she was bisexual. And, you know, people say, was she bisexual? I say “at least”.

Kevin Anthony 26:44
Sorry. That took me a second on that.

Stephen Edwards 26:48
Yeah, so you know, she had been involved in bisexual relationships before I met her former girlfriend, whom she lived with for a number of years. And so, as I said, she really helped me break through some barriers of shame, of judgment, and come to understanding. She was very intelligent. She was her father is a genius, right? He’s a billionaire, right? So he makes rides for theme parks, and he has to figure out all the math and everything. So she’s definitely been touched by those genes of her father, but some of the conversations were just, I would just look at her after she’d finished saying something. You might see this in the book, sometimes, sometimes when she’s been completely unreasonable and manipulative, but you just go, Wow, that’s amazing, you know? And then you go away, think about, wait a second. Wait a second. I’m not sure that’s exactly right, but yeah, she was very, very intelligent.

Kevin Anthony 27:39
So wait a minute, she’s hot. She loves to be filmed. She loves sex, she’s intelligent, and she’s a billionaire heiress. Can you share her number after the show? No, I’m just kidding.

Stephen Edwards 27:50
I’ll give you the link. But good luck, Kevin!

Kevin Anthony 27:53
I’m kidding. I’m in a relationship.

Stephen Edwards 27:58
Well, she won’t mind. Maybe it’s a possibility. But you really brought up a fantastic question, right? And I even say this in the book, wait a minute. She’s beautiful. She’s, you know, her father’s a billionaire. She loves sex. What is wrong with you, right? Why would this not last? And so I don’t know if I should just say this and maybe spoil the plot a little bit, but we both had mental illness, right? We were both in mental asylums when we were kids. I had manic depression, as it’s called now, bipolar, right? And you always have it, you know? I’ve learned how to manage it and control it now.

Stephen Edwards 28:36
But she has something, and you probably have heard of this, and it’s becoming more and more prominent now that they’ve made movies about it. She has borderline personality disorder, which is actually not curable. You can learn how to live with it and maintain it if you have therapy. But you see, she was so traumatized by being locked up in an asylum when she was 16 by her father, and she couldn’t get out, she wouldn’t even go to therapy, right? There is no way she was going to do that. So in the end, and I say this, you know, the three books in the series, in the second book, I say, Look, you know, in the end, the decision was taken away from me. I didn’t decide I didn’t want to be with her anymore. It was I had no choice, you know, I had no choice. For those of you, those people who don’t know anything about borderline personality, it’s just complete madness. It’s, you know, one minute she loves you, the next hour she hates you, and going on that roller coaster. You can only do that for so long, you know. And I did that for almost three years, and in the end, I realized I was literally losing my sanity. I was going insane.

Kevin Anthony 29:46
Yeah, that is not a healthy situation to be in, for sure. I want to come back because I made a joke about, you know, that, and that kind of overshadowed the point that you made. About sexuality being fluid. And I just wanted to come back to that for a moment, when it comes to what you like sexually, as far as things you want to do or don’t do, or that I totally agree that it is fluid. I do want to clarify a little bit, though, is that I do believe that most people are there like they basically are either, you know, hetero or bi or homo, in other words, like most people know that this is how I am. This is my preference.

Kevin Anthony 30:38
But it doesn’t mean that they don’t stray inside and out, but their generalized preference of what they generally like tends to stay the same. Okay, so that’s just my thought on it, but that is basically just a different way of saying it’s fluid. To some extent, it’s not. The only reason why I wanted to clarify is that in the last couple of years, there’s been a lot of like, oh no. Everybody can just be all over the spectrum and be anything they want and decide, and it’s just as you know, it’s just you just decide in your mind. And for most people, that’s not true. Maybe for some it is, but for most people, it’s like, yeah, I know. I’m heterosexual, right? So like, yeah, you know, I hear this from a lot of men, right?

Kevin Anthony 31:20
When it comes to men, they’ll say, I know I’m hetero. I like women, but I don’t mind occasionally playing with a man, right? Yeah, but they would never consider themselves gay, and it’s not just because of the stigma. They’re just like, No, I like women. Actually want to be in a relationship with a woman, but I’m not opposed, like, if we have a threesome with another man, that sort of thing. Yeah, I hear that a lot, and I hear the same thing, actually, from a lot of women, where a lot of women will say, Well, no, I’m not bi. This is what they’ll say, I’m not bi. But, you know, I don’t mind playing with a woman every once in a while, right?

Stephen Edwards 31:54
And I think I would, I would agree with you. I mean, you’re in a much better position to make that analysis anyway, of course, but I think that’s kind of what she meant, you know, but I’m a little unsure. I’ll tell you why. What I’m seeing with the younger generation is something even more, what’s the word? More expansive than that? I don’t know, you’re making a really good point. That is that just because it’s kind of trendy, is it just because they’re kind of thinking, Well, I think that way today, or is it real? I don’t know, but you know, when I think about how we’ve always seen the race of humanity in the future, they always seem to be depicted as being more androgynous, right? More like is there even a is there even a determining sex? I don’t know, but that’s what made me wonder about those two, those two components.

Kevin Anthony 32:48
This is a rabbit hole to go down. I’ll tell you, just quickly,y my thoughts on that. You’re right. We always do envision these future societies as being androgynous, and I think the reason for that is there’s an agenda driving there’s a conscious agenda trying to drive people more towards that. I don’t want to get too conspiratorial on this, but when you make everything the same, when you take masculine and feminine away, it’s just easier to control people. That’s what it comes down to. Yeah, it’s just easier to control people. And I have personally seen a really concerted effort to try to do that. Because, you know, we can get into, like, polarity teachings and stuff on this, but like, what makes you know, a relationship really successful? Well, there has to be polarity in it. Well, if you make everything on your agents, there’s no polarity, no polarity. Yeah, right, yeah. So relationships tend not to stay together. Families tend not to stay together. Like, you know, people tend not to have children, like, there’s a whole thing that happens once you start to take that away. And it’s been my belief that they’ve been intentionally doing that for various reasons, which we don’t need to go into.

Stephen Edwards 34:07
No, but I would just, I would just reinforce what you’re saying. I mean, 100% there’s no question that we have been for centuries, been what they want to control, the people, the population. You have to control the population to govern. And as we hopefully get fewer and fewer wars, it’s been proven that there are no if there are no wars, the people will rebel. And so it’s now at a time when they’re really focused on, how do we control the population? I hadn’t actually thought about what you just said there about being androgynous. That’s very interesting, and I think that’s probably true.

Kevin Anthony 34:43
Yeah, that, as I said, is a whole rabbit hole. That is just the tip of the iceberg of my thoughts on that, but I don’t want to get derailed on that.

Stephen Edwards 34:50
No, no, we’ll have another podcast about that. That’d be great.

Kevin Anthony 34:55
Okay, we’re a little bit more than halfway through the show. Let me. Pause for another ad, and when we come back, I really do want to hear some more of the lessons that you learned through this relationship. And you know, if there are any interesting stories that illustrate those lessons, we’d love to hear those too.

Stephen Edwards 35:14
Okay, that’ll be great.

Kevin Anthony 35:16
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Kevin Anthony 36:06
Okay, so we’re talking about some of the lessons that you learned from this time that you spent with this really very interesting woman, from what you’ve described. What are some of the other things that you’ve learned? And as I said before the break, feel free to share stories that help illustrate how you learned it.

Stephen Edwards 36:31
Okay, well, of course, from the very beginning, there are all kinds of red flags, which get ignored when you are on that journey of, I don’t say self-destruction, when you’re on that journey of healing, right? Because it’s that you’re meant to you’re meant to not see them, and it’s okay, right? It’s okay to go down that hole because in the end, it will work out great. So, but what I learned, there are so many things, I mean, I learned about shame and guilt and accepting who you are, your flaws and all. And I also, you know, I was obsessed with her, and I was addicted to her, but I did love her a lot, right?

Stephen Edwards 37:10
And she did not love me to begin with; I was a mark for her. So what she enjoyed doing was finding men who had money and getting it off them and everything they owned, right? So after about two weeks, I was traveling a lot. Back then, I used to go and do events every Friday, Saturday, and Sunday. So she was at home in her own apartment, but she manipulated so she could get the keys to my house, and because I was using a laser, and she wanted to lose this laser because she said she had a bad back. And I said, Well, you know, here’s the key, but only you can go in the house. She said, Well, can I bring my friend, because she’ll drive me here. And I said, Okay, so there’s only supposed to be them too. So the first night I’m away, I call her up to see how, and I can hear all this noise in the background, right?

Stephen Edwards 37:57
And I said, Where are you? You know, she’s I’m in the house. I said, Well, who’s there? I can hear that the other girl’s boyfriend was Brent. I could hear him. The music was playing. I’m like, What’s going on, you know? So anyway, there’s a character in the book called Jerry. He’s my friend, right? So I sent Jerry over to the house to see what’s going on and get him out, right? Because I, you know, I said to her, You need to leave. And of course, she said, Oh, yeah, okay, we’ll leave right away. And I know she’s not gonna leave, right? So he goes over to the house to try and get him out. And they ran rings around him, right? They said, Oh yeah, yeah, we’ll leave. You know, give us a few minutes. We’ll just pack up and go. And of course, he’s like, they said, they’re gonna go. They’ll go, right? So he calls me back. Hey Steve, no problem, Stephen. We got it taken care of. They leave. I said, Did you see him leave? And he said, No. I said, You’ve got to go back. They’re not going to leave. So he’s like, no, no, no, this. Anyway, I got him to go back.

Stephen Edwards 38:46
By this time, they’re cooking dinner, they’re outside of the fire pit, two big guys, two huge bodybuilders, have come over. So you know what they’re going to be doing, right? And they’re smoking pot, they’re doing all this stuff. They’re having a great time. And he finally says to it, Listen, and her name is Thomas, right in the book. Anyway, Thomas, you’ve got to leave. You know, Stephen has told me he wants you to leave, and you’ve got to get out of the house. And he said something about it’s Steven’s house. And she goes, Stephen’s house, this is my house. And she believed it. It was her house. And he goes to Mars. That’s, you’re talking crazy. You’ve got to leave. Next thing they’re going to call the police, and then the other couple is already, they’ve got a restraining order because he beat her because she wanted him to, right into that kind of thing. Anyway. Finally, he gets him out of the house and takes them to St Petersburg, and they go out drinking there, and he gets away with it.

Stephen Edwards 39:42
But then a couple of weeks later, she tries to do the same thing again, because I found a bottle of Captain Morgan’s rum in the cabinet under the sink in the guest bathroom, and it was half drunk. And I know I hadn’t drunk it, right? So then, and I’d already been married to an alcoholic. Right? So I knew that there was nothing I could do. You can’t do anything, right? But instead of just accepting it because Jerry came over, I called him and said, Jerry, you’ve got to come over because I’m going to, you know, I’ve got to bring this up. He goes, Why are you going to bring it up? Man, just stay with her for the weekend and take her home, and you’re done. But that obviously wasn’t what I wanted to hear, was it? I wanted to hear that I could fix it, right? So anyway, make a long story longer, I confront her, which is just not a good idea, right?

Stephen Edwards 40:26
She just goes straight into defensiveness, you know, do you know anything about the bottle of rum in the guest bathroom? No, why are you asking me? You know that kind of thing, right? So I said, Well, I didn’t put it there. She said, Why are you interrogating me, right? So now I’m interrogating her, right? So anyway, then the next thing, she calls her mother, right? And starts having a conversation in front of us both, to her mother. I didn’t even know if her mother was on the phone, right, but she was doing this for us, right? So she’s doing this whole thing. And I said to Jerry, I said Look, whatever you do, do not engage her. Don’t say anything. Just let her, she’ll peter out. Well, she didn’t peter out, right? So I end up making some breakfast for the tubas, and I put it on the table. It’s an English breakfast, right?

Stephen Edwards 41:08
So she’s just determined to get us hooked into an argument, right? So she walks over to the table, picks up the plate at breakfast, and just dumps it in my lap. It’s the kind of stuff she would do all the time, but the police did come that day. So what happened was Jerry and I go and had go work out while she’s calming down, come back. She’s nowhere to be seen. She’s hiding, right? So I don’t know what to do, so I saw it. She’d given me her father’s phone number for other manipulative reasons, so I decided to call her father. He’s never even spoken to me before, right? And I’m calling a dad, right? He’s on the phone, and I said, his name is Kitchen. I said, Mr. Kitchen. I don’t know whether you know this, but I think, I think Thomas is an alcoholic. And then he goes, Oh, I know. I know. He said, I had, I’ve had her in rehab programs for years. I spent $100,000 on the last one, he said, but she just checks in and checks out again. He said, I can’t. I haven’t had her in my home anymore, because when she comes, she’s an angel, and then three days later, she goes crazy. He said, if she’s in your house, get her out and never let her back in again. This is a father, right? I’m thinking, what?

Stephen Edwards 42:24
So I call her on the phone. She picks up. I still don’t know where she is, and I told her. I said, Listen, I’ve called your father. So we know now what the problem is. We need to fix it. She went ballistic. Who the fuck are you to call my father? You this? You that she put the phone down, call me back 10 years 10 minutes later, did the same thing. So I’m thinking, Okay, this is getting out of hand, so I just go. I decided to call the police to see if they come and calm it down. She’s already called the police, and they’re on the way. So the police arrive and she, of course, she was in the garage, in the back of one of the cars. So she runs out, runs to the police. And you know, she controls the narrative from there, one of the officers is a police woman. So after about 30 minutes, they finally come to the house. They ring the bell, they come in. And of course, the police woman is so hot right now, she’s ready to take me to jail immediately after everything that Thomas has told her, right?

Stephen Edwards 43:23
So anyway, then we have to convince the police, the sheriff’s department, that she told them that Jerry and I had locked her in the sex room and that we’re going to rape her and that we were gay. How does that add up? Right? I’m like, these were not detectives, right? Hold on a second. We’re gay and we’re gonna rape her. How does that work? And they said, Well, I thought about that anyway. So we had to convince it took 10 hours. Kevin, this whole thing took 10 hours. And the only thing that saved me from going to jail that night was that Jerry, unbeknownst to me, was going off with a mother on the phone. He recorded her. And so he said to the sheriff, can I, can I share this recording? And the sheriff said, No, did you well, did you ask her if she could, if she could be recorded? He said, No. He said, then it’s inadmissible. And so Jerry said, Well, I know it’s inadmissible, but could you at least listen to it? And he said, Okay. And then they realized, so the bottom line was, Kevin, I don’t if you know this or not, her goal was to get me arrested. She would go to a restraining order against me. I would have had to evict her from my house, and it could have taken six months. Meanwhile, she had my home, my cars, everything.

Kevin Anthony 44:38
Yeah, that is a crazy story. And you know, aside from the details of that story. I’m sorry you had to go through that.

Stephen Edwards 44:47
Well, the thing about it is, I put it in a book. So how bad can it be? I often say that in the book, I say you’re probably thinking I should have left her and broken up with her then, well, if I did, you wouldn’t be reading this book.

Kevin Anthony 45:03
And, you know, I also wanted to point out something that we mentioned earlier, too, which is that, you know, sometimes, some of you know, the best lessons that we get come through some very difficult challenges,

Stephen Edwards 45:16
Definitely, yeah, yeah. And sometimes, and this is something else I learned, you know, when our children or people we love go through difficult times, we want to solve it for them. We want to help them out of it, but really, we’re not helping them. They need to go through it and have the experience to come to the other side. If we stop it, then it’s going to happen again somewhere else down the line. It could be worse, right?

Kevin Anthony 45:44
Yeah, that’s true. You know, had friends not intervened and given you some good advice or or let’s say it’s just say they intervened early on and just forced you to get her out of your life, would you have learned all these lessons? And the answer now is, is likely no. Having said that, of course, we do want to prevent people that we care about from making bad mistakes that would have serious negative repercussions down the line. So there’s a line, there.

Stephen Edwards 46:11
There’s a balance. You’re right. There is a balance.

Kevin Anthony 46:13
So we’ve got about 15 minutes left in the show, and I want to come back to this idea of this sexual revolution and talk about, you know, obviously, we pitch this idea that there is this shift in consciousness going on. We talked about some of the things that you learned through your rather tumultuous relationship.

Stephen Edwards 46:39
I did it for you. I did it for you. Kevin,

Kevin Anthony 46:43
Thank you. People will appreciate it. Read his book so you don’t have to go through what he went through.

Stephen Edwards 46:48
Yes, for sure, right? For sure.

Kevin Anthony 46:51
What do you think are some of the benefits of this revolution that is occurring? What? What are we getting? As you know, a collective, as our consciousness is changing,

Stephen Edwards 47:05
That’s a great question. So I think we’re going to get more be able to be more free. And I don’t just mean sexually. I mean, you know, I feel like the ultimate dare in life is to be who you really are in the presence of others. So as we go through this sexual revolution, and there’s a lot, as you know, which is why you do what you do, a lot of emotion, a lot of judgment, and a lot of shame around sex. And you see this when you help people pass that they just feel like, literally, the chains, chains have been taken off them, right?

Stephen Edwards 47:40
They’re just able to express themselves more. And even you know yourself, when you were talking about anal sex in the first show you did, right, you got liberated by the fact that you were able to open up in front of other people and talk to and talk about a subject that has been taboo, right? Yeah, absolutely. So that’s one of the things. I also learned that love is very powerful, and it will sometimes cause you to do things that you wouldn’t normally do, that will overstep the I don’t know you call it morals. I’m not really big into morals, but you know what I mean, the things that you would suddenly, that you would say normally you wouldn’t do that, are maybe not in your best interest of you in the long term, right to not lose that person.

Stephen Edwards 48:32
And that’s very dangerous. You know, you, you know, you said there’s, there’s, there’s a balance between things. And you’re right. You know, I lost that sense of balance. I lost who I was trying to keep, the woman that I loved, who was on a she was in a different plane. So, for example, I don’t drink, but I did when I was with her, right? She drank. So I was trying to get I was trying to get her into rehab. I was trying to help her. But in the end, she dragged me down that road instead of me pulling her up.

Kevin Anthony 49:06
Yeah, you know, I would, I would love to offer a reframe on that one, okay, which is this, I don’t think love does that? What I think does that is fear. I think it’s the opposite, because it’s the fear of losing this person that will drive you to say, well, you know, she’s a drinker, and she likes to party, and if I don’t do that, I’m always the stick in the mud. She’s not going to want to be with me. That’s the fear of losing the person, I think real love would never really steer us in a self destructive self-destructive path that but I understand, I understand the point that you’re making. I just kind of wanted to offer that opinion out there to anybody who’s listening, that like if you find that you’re doing things that you feel are going against your, you know, morals, your beliefs. Leaves your boundaries. It’s probably not love; it’s probably fear that’s in the way that’s driving you to do those things.

Stephen Edwards 50:09
Because I would agree, I would agree with that 99%. The only thing I would say sometimes in life, there are decisions you make because you love someone, that you make yourself sacrificial, yes, yourself sacrificial. And I felt like sometimes that was the case, but 99% of the time, it was fear. You’re absolutely I didn’t know what a loser, yeah, and I was scared of losing her. Absolutely, so you’re right, yeah?

Kevin Anthony 50:35
Well, you know, there are those cases where you, because of you love somebody so much, you will do things that maybe aren’t necessarily in your best interest, but they are in the other person’s best interest. And that is that that’s love, that’s love for somebody, that’s wanting to help somebody. And, yeah, but excluding that.

Stephen Edwards 50:53
Yeah, yeah, exactly, yeah. I’m not saying that was most of the time. I would say most of the time, you’re absolutely right. I was afraid of losing her. I never thought, I never thought that I could find another woman like that. Again, probably lucky, if I don’t.

Kevin Anthony 51:08
Well, you know. So that’s a great point, too, which is that, you know, we I made the joke earlier about, oh, she’s beautiful, she’s smart, she’s got money, like all that kind of stuff. But there was a very obvious, critical flaw, right? Yeah. But, you know, as we have more relationships and more experiences, we learn better what it is that we really want. What are the things that are, you know, the things that are, what I call must-haves, and what are the things that are deal breakers, right? So now going forward, you know, you’re not looking for a woman just like that. You’re looking for a woman who has the positive traits that, yeah, yeah, for sure, and not the negative ones, right?

Stephen Edwards 51:51
Yeah, yeah. But it was also, again, going back to what we were talking about earlier, about how we attract these things. I was spellbound by her madness and her craziness, because it’s, I love adventure. I love taking risks. We were both very irresponsible. We never wanted to take account. Unfortunately, you know, I didn’t have any kids. She didn’t have any kids. I had the financial ability to be able to do that. So we had an amazing ride during the process. You know, we really did some amazing things together, and we had so much fun on occasion. But, you know, coming home, you know, getting told by your assistant that she’s stolen your car, you don’t know where she is. She’s in a then you find out she’s in a casino in Tampa with some other guy, right?

Stephen Edwards 52:40
And we can’t get the car back off her, because she knows is if somebody’s staying at your house, they’re a guest. All your stuff, they’re entitled to use it, so you can’t report the car stolen. I remember I called the sheriff. I said, Listen, someone stole my car. He said, Well, do you know who? I said, Yes, my girlfriend. And he says, so first of all, he goes, what did my girlfriend? He said, Well, she literally said, Yes. He said that she can’t steal your car. And I’m like, what?

Kevin Anthony 53:14
Well, for those of you men listening, who are considering dating a really hot, but crazy woman, learn, learn from Steven’s mistakes.

Stephen Edwards 53:28
That’s right. Yes, I’ll be your sacrifice.

Kevin Anthony 53:31
When is your stolen car not your stolen car? When she’s your girlfriend!

Stephen Edwards 53:38
So I learned a lot about law as well, right? The laws, right?

Kevin Anthony 53:42
Yeah, all right. So let’s bring this whole thing down for landing here. Let’s tie it all up and make it, you know, feel complete for those who are listening, yeah, there is definitely a shift that is going on as far as our relationship to sexuality that I think is a bit healthier than the previous sexual revolution, which is something we didn’t really get to talk about. The previous sexual revolution, you know, happened in the ’60s, was just all about freedom and let’s do whatever we want. And that may have been a necessary growing pain to go through. It’s kind of more like the adolescent teenage, you know, portion of growing up, which is, oh, we can just do whatever we want. We don’t have to be responsible, which, of course, then leads to things like, you know, explosions and sexually transmitted diseases and, you know, births out of wedlock and blah, blah, blah, all that other kind of solves the problems that come with that.

Kevin Anthony 54:43
Whereas I think that the sexual revolution now, and you and I talked about this a bit in the pre-interview call, is more about having more of a voice, having access to better information. Like, that’s a thing that you and I talked about. It’s like, yeah, I complain. I get shadow-banned and, you know, demonetized and all those things, and that does still happen, but the mere fact that I can even have a podcast or a YouTube channel and talk about these things is a huge step in the right direction, because a few decades ago, that would not have been possible. So we’ve got access to better information. We’re able to shorten the learning curve, like a lot of the things that you’re talking about that you learned, you learned the hard way, through this trial and error, through getting on the phone with the police a bunch of times, right? You know, like having your car stolen, your house almost stolen, right? Yep, now you can learn these lessons without having to go through a lot of those things, and I think that is a really big benefit. Are there any other benefits that you can think of to how things are changing now versus how they changed before?

Stephen Edwards 55:55
Yeah, there is a chapter in the book when I talk about the new sexual revolution and the things that are happening, and how to I say, you know, it’s the new sexual revolution. Are you on board? And these are the kind of things that are happening for people who have listened to people like you. And you know, it is tough being you’re a forerunner, right? And it’s always the toughest when you’re the first, and you’re going out there and pushing, there’s going to be, you’re going to get the massive pushback, right? Because changes like we’re talking about, like you’re talking about, it’s a paradigm shift. And paradigms go through three very distinct phases. First, they’re vehemently opposed, right?

Stephen Edwards 56:32
And you got a lot of opposers. The next thing that it’s just ridiculous, right? People laugh at it. And the third part is, well, yeah, that everybody knew that it’s just accepted as being obvious, right? So, it’s very courageous of you to do that. So I talk about in that chapter, about embracing things that maybe haven’t been embraced before, that are really coming to the fore, things like Swingers, things like you know, where you see this sexuality more in Burning Man, when you see people going there and just freely expressing their sexuality, clothes that people are wearing and doing things that might have been taboo in the past, like showing affection to each other in a married couple in front of the kids you know, show them that you can be loving. You grab your wife’s ass when the kids are watching, they’ll feign disgust, but they want to know that in the future, they can have a loving relationship, that their parents have an intimate, loving relationship, and talk to each other.

Stephen Edwards 57:36
The biggest thing is, talk to each other. Talk about you and I know I’m preaching to the choir with you. You do this all the time, right? Talk to each other about your sexual fantasies. Discuss what is acceptable to actually do what you’d rather keep as a fantasy, do whatever you can do within the limits of your ability. And I mean, you know what you feel like it is possible for you in the marriage to pleasure your partner, to give them what they want in some way, shape or form. Because even that effort, even the fact that you’ll make that effort for them, you know, go to a motel, go to a bar, pick her up in a bar, I actually do that in the book, right? Have fun with it. It’s, it’s a it’s, it’s something that shouldn’t be taboo. It should be something that you enjoy together. You have to tell everybody what you’re doing. You know, maybe you’d like to be a strip on a stripper pole. We’ll do it for him. You don’t have to do it for the whole town, right? You know, maybe you want to be a hooker. We’ll play a hooker for one night. It’s fine, you know. And just embrace it, I guess, is what I’m saying. And that’s one of the things that I think I really got,

Kevin Anthony 58:39
Yeah, embrace it and embrace it in healthy ways. Because when we embrace it in healthy ways, right? It’s like hitting the pressure relief valve, right? And that way doesn’t come out in unhealthy ways. And that’s, that’s one of the big problems that we’ve had around sexuality for a long time, because we’ve repressed it so much. You know that energy has to come out eventually, somewhere, some way, and it tends to explode out in unhealthy ways. And so by bringing this conversation to the forefront, by providing better educational material, by removing the shame, by making it easy to talk about, we give people that outlet to express it in ways that are healthy, which I think does everybody a good service. I loved that point you brought up about grabbing your wife’s ass in front of your kids. Too many people don’t realize that what they model, these kids are sponges. They are absorbing everything, including how you interact with each other.

Kevin Anthony 59:43
And so much of the work I do, I mean, a massive amount of the work I do is unraveling the negative patterns that people learned from their parents because their parents had dysfunctional relationships. They took that on, and they learned to have relationships. Just like their parents did, dysfunctional, right? So, yeah, you know, kiss each other, hug each other, say nice things to each other, grab each other’s butts. You don’t have to be overtly sexual in front of them, because that’s probably not appropriate depending on the age. But age-appropriate stuff, show them that you can be affectionate. I think that is a wonderful idea.

Stephen Edwards 1:00:21
One of the other things I point out in the book, which isn’t really necessarily sexual, is to always be supportive of each other, even in front of your friends. Never criticize your partner in front of your friends. They’re only going to use it against you, and it demeans them. You know, always be positive. Now you might, you might have something to say in private, right? What the hell were you doing? You know, but keep it private, because that also completely destroys relationships.

Kevin Anthony 1:00:50
Oh, yeah, I completely agree. When you see couples who are extremely critical of each other in front of other people, man, the resentment that that creates long-term is really toxic to the relationship. So yeah, I agree. Well, you know, I’m a big proponent. Also, talk all the time about how, you know, couples should be a team, they should be working together, which means, if you’re actually functioning as a team, you shouldn’t be that kind of critical. In other words, it doesn’t mean that you have to agree all the time, but when your partner does something you don’t agree with, yeah, don’t criticize them out in public, in front of everybody you know, go behind closed doors. Let’s have a conversation about this. Let’s talk about this behavior or this thing, and let’s figure out how we can do better the next time. Let’s work together as a team to do that right. If you approach it from that point of view, you will have a much more successful relationship.

Stephen Edwards 1:01:43
I have an interesting question for you, and you would know about this. I wonder if the reason that these couples do that is that they’re not having intimacy in the bedroom, and they don’t feel close. I wonder if that’s part of it, too.

Kevin Anthony 1:01:58
Oh, it definitely is, a lot of the time. I won’t say that that’s always what’s happening in that case, but it is very often the case. So what’s happening is they’re not connecting, they’re not close, they don’t have a sexual, you know, sexually fulfilling relationship, and so they have a lot of resentment, and then that starts to explode out in all kinds of ways, criticism, complaining, competing, competing, controlling, all these things that that people will do in relationships because they’re not happy.

Stephen Edwards 1:02:27
Yeah, makes sense, right? Yeah, yeah. Maybe.

Kevin Anthony 1:02:30
And they’ve done some research on this too, where they’ve looked at, you know, how long relationships last and how happy they are. And one of the things that they found was that relationships that have a healthy, fulfilling sex life. So as the years go on, they continue to have sex, and they both feel relatively satisfied with their sex life. They tend to stay together longer, and they tend to report higher levels of happiness.

Stephen Edwards 1:02:55
It’s such an important part of any relationship, but particularly marriage, and people don’t realize that, you know, sometimes they give out on it. Hey, listen, I know it’s not easy, and I know you know it’s not easy for people to relate. They got kids, they got a house, a house to take care of, the job, and all that work. But it does need to be, I believe, and I think you do too. It needs to be a focus, just like you care of them, mentally, physically, emotionally, and spiritually, absolutely.

Kevin Anthony 1:03:25
You know, look, it’s not easy, but nothing in this world is easy. It all takes work. It all takes attention. It all takes energy. And this is one of the most important parts of life, and it’s absolutely worth giving it that time, attention, and energy. So, all right, we’ve got to wrap up, but please tell the listeners. I mean, we barely scratched the surface on the craziness that occurred in your story and the lessons that you’ve learned as well. So you’ve got this book series. Tell people where they can find it.

Stephen Edwards 1:03:54
Yeah, it’s on Amazon.com, it’s called The Venus Flytrap sex lies and Repercussions. I have a website, which is VFT for Venus Flytrap to number 20 three.com and on there is also a bonus gift book, which is a chapter that I didn’t put in the book. A separate chapter that gives you a flavor for the book, and hopefully gets you to want to buy the book, but it gives you some real idea of how it’s called madness and mayhem. It’s called The Venus Fly shot madness and mayhem. So it’s a good title for everything that happened there. And it continues in the book itself. And there is three books in the series. The second book is written. We’re not going to publish it. I’m not going to publish it until we got the first one going right, and there’s going to be demand for the second book, and the third book is about half written.

Kevin Anthony 1:04:46
Well, that link is in the description, so if you are interested in hearing more about this crazy episode in Stephen’s life, by all means, go check that out, Stephen. I want to thank you for coming. On the show, sharing what you’ve learned, sharing some of your stories, and I really hope that people found it valuable to hear.

Stephen Edwards 1:05:10
Well, it’s been a pleasure, Kevin, and I really appreciate you having me on your show. Very kind of you.

Kevin Anthony 1:05:15
All right, everybody. That’s all the time I have for this episode, and I will see you next week.

Kevin Anthony 1:05:27
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